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Creators Circle #11: The Watched Pot Effect and How to Avoid It

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In this Creators Circle, we discuss what I call the “Watched Pot Effect”, and how it can sabotage your manifestations. What is this effect and how can you avoid it?

Also, we discuss the importance of letting go, and some techniques for doing so more easily.

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Transcript

Brandon: Hey, everyone. Welcome to Creators Circle. This is call #11. We have our favorite people here with us today.

Christine: Yay. Because no one else likes to join us.

Brandon: Except for Justin. Justin couldn’t come today because he’s busy with something. Today is, as always, a chance to talk about the law of attraction and a few things. We’ll see how the conversation goes. I will start with you guys, though. What is on your minds? What are things you want to discuss? What questions might you have?

[01:11] The Watched Pot Effect

Caller #1: One thing I’ve been thinking about: have you ever had something you’ve been working on, and you’ve been working on it for a while, and every time you think about it, it’s just so hard? Even if rationally you’re like, “It’s not that difficult.” But the reaction is just automatically [groans].

Brandon: Because of the history of it.

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: How long have you been trying to get that?

Caller #1: This one’s been a couple months.

Brandon: Any progress?

Caller #1: No.

Brandon: No progress. Why? [laughs]

Caller #1: I guess because it seems hard. I don’t know. [laughs]

Brandon: That’s fair enough. All right.

Caller #1: It’s just one of those ones. I can have moments where I’m like, “That wouldn’t be that difficult.” Then at other times, it just seems hard.

Brandon: How much are you thinking about it?

Caller #1: Because it’s kind of an ongoing issue, it does tend to pop up quite a bit.

Brandon: What percentage of your day is dedicated to worrying or thinking about this issue?

Caller #1: It’s sort of always in the background, honestly.

Brandon: It kind of feeds into what I wanted to talk about. There is something that I am preliminarily calling the “watched pot effect.” [laughs] I come up with awesome names, don’t I?

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: The watched pot effect. I just posted about this to someone in “The Art of Reality Creation 3.0” class. They asked a similar question about why never things never happen in the way she expects them to happen. I got to talk about the watched pot effect. I’ve alluded to this concept in the past, but I will go into it much more deeply. The watched pot effect is from the expression that “A watched pot never boils.” You know I’ve talked about this before. In a quantum perspective, the observer effect is that as long as you’re observing something, it can’t change.

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: When you observe something, it collapses the wave function. As long as you keep observing it, it can’t un-collapse. I guess that’s expands. It can’t switch over to another parallel reality or another probability. It has to stay where it is. When you look a way and give it some time (could be an instant) and then look back, it could shift. But as long as you’re constantly looking at it, it has to be what it is. Does that make sense?

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: I’ve done this. When you have this manifestation that you’ve been thinking about all in the background all the time every day for months, you’re never looking away from it. Because the reality you’re looking at is “I don’t have this” and you can’t let yourself look away long enough because if I look away, then I can’t get it. Your attention is always on it. The watched pot is not going to boil, so to speak. It’s not going to change. It can’t change as long as you’re looking at it. If you were to take your eyes or attention off of it for a day, you’d probably see progress. Maybe at the longest a few days. You’d probably see some kind of breakthrough.

[05:20] Dealing with Constant Worry

Caller #1: Yes. This one’s hard because this particular one is a money issue, which is getting a little dire. [laughs]

Brandon: I totally get that. I’ve told my story about September of 2015. You’re familiar with that one?

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: It was very, very dire. I told myself I refused to panic. Sometimes I feel like I’m beating a dead horse with this, but the ego likes to try to make things happen. It likes to try to force things and figure out how to do things. It just can’t do that. As long as it’s trying to do that, you can’t actually get your thing.

One of the principles I have been recently focusing on is as long as you are holding it, you can’t receive it. Until you let it go, you can’t receive it. As long as you’re watching, messing with it, thinking about it, it’s not out there actually creating, developing, or growing in the astral or whatever. When you take your mind off of it is when it’ll grow. That’s hard, especially when it’s something that is dire. But there’s no shortcut around it. You really have to take your mind off of it, at least for a time. Trust and let go. There is no shortcut around it. That is the absolute essential step in the whole thing.

Caller #1: It’s hard when you’re not really paying attention to what you’re thinking. Then you realize you’ve been worrying about it the past hour in a vague background way.

Brandon: I get that, yes. I’ve had things that have been nagging at the back of my mind for a few days. Eventually I say, “We’re going to take care of this. We’re going to enter this mindfulness state. I’m just going to get this thing out and let the energy flow through.” If you just don’t give it the room it needs to do its thing and flow through, it’s just going to keep nagging at the back of your mind. If you give it that space—take a few minutes, have it out, hear what it has to say, let the energy flow, be mindful, don’t get sucked up into it—if you can do that, it might take 10 or 15 minutes, you’re going to be in a far better state the rest of today into tomorrow and onward than if you just let it nag at you, nag at you, nag at you. It’s not just going to go away.

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: You have to take that space and just do what you have to do to let it go. This is productive time. This is not worrying time where you’re actually worsening and intensifying it. This is releasing time where you are letting it have its voice and then just letting it flow through and out of your system. It’s just a necessary step. I deal with anxiety, too. If you do that, where you can take the anxiety and say, “Yeah, whatever. Have your time,” and let it flow, it will get better. Have you done something like that?

Caller #1: It’s usually hard not to get sucked up in it, honestly, when it’s as bad as it has been.

Brandon: What is it that prevents you from being able to take that step and work on letting it go? 

Caller #1: I know this is not a rational worry, but it’s the worry that if I let it go do its own thing, things are going to get worse. It’s hard to tell…

Christine: I know what you mean.

Caller #1: Releasing it versus just ignoring the issue.

[09:40] Releasing Versus Ignoring

Brandon: Yes, right. That’s a good question. How do you know when you’re releasing it? How do you know when you’re ignoring it? For me, when I’m releasing it, it actually momentarily gets worse. I’m trying to think of an example. Imagine someone’s trying to get your attention, and you’re kind of ignoring it. They’re still there, and it’s kind of nagging at you. They keep calling your name. “Hey, hey! I want to talk to you. Hey!” You keep ignoring it. When you finally say, “What’s up?”, for a moment you have this, “Oh my gosh, I don’t want to do this,” and it gets worse for a moment. Then once it’s done, they’re out, and it’s done. You’ve heard what they had to say. They’re done. They’re not going to bother you anymore. You’ve taken care of the issue.

Or if you have a task you’ve been ignoring for a while. Have you ever had that happen? You have this thing that you need to do. You haven’t done it for a while. It’s just there. Finally you do it. At first it’s like, “How am I going to get all this done?” It’s sort of overwhelming. Then once it’s done, it feels a lot better. That, to me, is how it is. When I’m ignoring it, it’s nagging at the back of my mind. “This needs to get taken care of.” When I sit down and let it do its thing and address it, at first, it becomes worse because I’m actually looking at it and actually letting it do its thing. At first, it actually feels worse when it’s inundating me with what it has to express. Then it starts to get better. You can tell it’s flowing through your system and going away.

Obviously, when you are actually worrying about it, it will continue to feel worse. You won’t have that release. It’s like the pressure valve is open and it’s draining out. You won’t have that happen. It will just be building up, building up, building up. That’s when you’re worrying about it. It’s a subtle difference, but that’s how I distinguish what is actually going on energetically. Does that make sense?

Caller #1: Yes. Something I used to do before I was trying to do law of attraction stuff was free-write. I’d usually stop halfway through and be like, “This is actually sort of stupid, what I’m worrying about.” [laughs] I’d stop halfway through and be like, “Oh. All right. Don’t need to finish that.” I guess it’s sort of the same exercise. I have trouble sitting there. Mindfulness is hard for me. I have a really hard time just sitting there and watching the thoughts without interacting with them or shying away from them. 

Brandon: It’s a process. It definitely is something that takes some work. There are other ways. If it’s beliefs that are coming up, I will sometimes use the Work of Byron Katie. I’ve used that with clients a lot of times. That can definitely help. But when it’s just in the moment when it’s really intense, sometimes there’s no substitute for some mindfulness. I know that with you especially, you’ve had a ton of trouble in the past with trust and letting go. You feel like if you’re not directly involved thinking about it, focusing on it, worrying about it, it’s not going to get done.

Christine: Can I tell a quick story?

Brandon: Yes.

Christine: Last week I was kind of inundated. I got called on Thursday and was told I had to do a wedding next Saturday. The bride hadn’t gotten a hold of me. I didn’t know about this wedding. The wedding is this Saturday. When you do music for a church, usually you have to do all this classical music before the wedding starts. I was freaking out. Yesterday I called the person at the church and said, “If I don’t hear anything by Tuesday, I’m not doing this.” I just wasn’t going to deal with it. I’m done worrying about this. Every time when I got angry, I’d say, “I don’t know what the real situation is. I’m just going to let it go. God, this is for you. I can’t handle this. I can’t deal with this. I have enough to deal with this week. So you handle it.” I threw it at Him, pretty much.

So today, I got a call from her. The toughest thing to play is the wedding march. There are two wedding marches, usually. At the beginning and at the end, they have one. I got a call from the bride this afternoon. Guess what? One of her friends who is a guitar player is taking care of those parts and said, “You choose the rest of the music.” So that took a huge load off my shoulders. That’s when I just let it go and said, “You know what? I can’t worry about this. I have a gig on Friday night. I have something going on in the morning for music. I can’t deal with it.” So I just let it go. Guess what? It worked perfectly. I couldn’t believe it.

[15:23] Letting Go is a Necessary Step

Caller #1: I’ve totally had experiences like that. I don’t know. When it’s something really huge, something in my brain kicks in and goes, “If you want something done right, you’ve got to do it yourself.” And there’s nothing I can do.

Christine: The only thing I did was inspired. I told her how frustrated I was—the person at the church. That’s all I did. Last week, I tried to find the bride and groom on Facebook, and I couldn’t. I did all I could do.

Brandon: At some point you have to give up, and that’s when it happens. You’ve done your part. For you, I would question that belief. You can use the Work with this if you want. “If I don’t directly keep focusing on it and worrying about it, it won’t get done.” Is that true? How do I react when I believe that? What would life be like and who would I be if I didn’t believe that? Really do your best to see through that. I think that’s really the biggest way you’re going to get through this. Try to find examples when you let go and things worked out for you. I’m sure you can find them because that’s the only time when it really does work out. [laughs]

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: So that’s what I would look for. At some point, the rubber has to meet the road and there’s no shortcut. There’s no silver bullet. There’s no secret. It’s just that I have to let go at some point. That’s about all there is to it.

Caller #1: I may just need to let my subconscious kick and scream for a little bit. I’m showing it I’m not going to worry about this. It goes, “Ah! You have to worry about this! If you don’t worry about it, something terrible is going to happen. You should just keep worrying your life away.” [laughs]

Brandon: Are the terrible things happening when you’re worrying about it, or when you’re not worrying about it?

Caller #1: Mostly when I’m worried about it, honestly. [laughs] I’ve had such amazing things happen when I haven’t even put that much effort in.

Christine: That’s the point.

Caller #1: I want this thing to happen, and I give it over to the gods. I know one example I did a while back. I did a dispatching shift for my bus company on the first Friday of the semester at my university. It should have been terrible, and it was super quiet. I’ve even talked to other people who were like, “I don’t know what was going on that night. No one was out at the bars.” The entire town just didn’t show up for a night. [laughs] That’s pretty big.

Brandon: Because you didn’t want it to.

Caller #1: I did worry about it for a bit. “This is a terrible idea. Why did I do this to myself?” Then I thought, “I can’t control these other people. I’m just going to ask, please make it not terrible.”

Brandon: I think the greatest thing you can do at this point is let go a little bit. Say, “For the next hour, I am not going to think about this at all. At all.” If you find yourself going there, say, “No, I’m not going to go there. I’m going to go in a different direction.” Distract yourself. Whatever you have to do to distract yourself. Even Richard Dotts—one of the techniques he recommended was having the opposite of this: having a worry time. I’m not allowed to worry all day, but for these 15 minutes, that’s when I get my worrying in. Then after that, I’m not allowed to worry anymore. Or before that. If you can do that.

But even if you just say, “You know what? There’s one hour—a worry-free zone. I’m just not allowed to worry or think about this thing for that hour.” If you can just let go that little bit, you might start to see things happen. Maybe not amazing things because you’re still holding on, but if you just let go a little bit, some stuff can start to slip through. You might start to see some progress. Just what’s the smallest thing you can do to let go that tiniest little bit? Let the universe take over. That’s what I would do.

[20:19] What Does “Letting Go” Mean to You?

Brandon: I always say, over and over again, with the law of attraction, it takes spiritual development. There’s no shortcut around it. It’s not just visualizing and wishing and it gets done. Putting it on your vision board or whatever. It really does take spiritual development because you really do have to let go of the thing or it’s not going to happen. I never really knew what that meant until very recently. A lot of people, the way they describe letting go is kind of messed up.

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: You know what I mean? It is so essential.

Caller #1: I think that might be part of my problem. There’s a lot of baggage around the phrasing “letting it go.” A lot of teachers talk about letting go of the desire completely, letting go of the end result, when really what the end result is what you care about.

Brandon: Yes, and I don’t agree with any of that. All that’s sort of stupid in my opinion. It’s not any of that. It’s trust. This is what I want. I definitely do want it, but I trust the universe to get me there. If you can do that, then it will be a lot better. One thing I’ve been doing—I can’t say too much about this because a lot of it was taught in “The Art of Reality Creation 3.0” class, and that’s still available for signups, so I don’t want to give away too much. It wouldn’t be fair to those people.

But I enter basically the very basic essential feeling state of the goal. I call it the goal seed. I feel the very essence of the goal. I let that fill my being. I let it go and say thank you to the universe. “I give it over to you. You’re taking care of it. Thank you.” That helps me to let it go more. Me saying thank you to the universe has really been helping for me to let it go more and trust and not worry about it so much. But you can experiment and see what works for you. You just have to take that step and find a way to let go of it or trust or whatever word you want to use for it. Find a way to do that. There’s no way around it. There’s no getting around that requirement. That’s a basic requirement for this to work.

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: Does that make sense to you? Do you have any questions around that?

Caller #1: No, that makes sense.

Brandon: When I asked a question earlier, I thought I heard you about to say something. I don’t know if you were.

Caller #2: Not about this. I’m actually finding this pulling so many things into place. I’ve always wanted to know the how and the why. Suddenly you saying it like this makes me realize why I have to release it. Just let that pool of possibilities or whatever bring it back to you. Awesome. I love that. Thank you. [laughs] I have had trouble with letting things go because usually the things you’re working on are so in-your-face. You need to deal with them now. It feels like you have to keep your hands on the wheel and keep driving it, even though I know that release is always been part of the picture. I know that. But now it will make it easier to let it go so that it can reform how I want it.

Brandon: Exactly. That’s how it feels sometimes. Again, that’s how the ego formulates things. “I have to keep control. I have to keep this moving. I have to keep focusing on it or doing actions.” Whatever form that might take for you. The ego says it. People with really strong egos—that’s not an insult; I’m not saying you’re “egoic.” I’m just saying you have a really strong ego and it doesn’t want to let go. People with strong egos have trouble with this because it’s required to step out of the ego and more into spirit and go with the flow and trust. I’ve been saying a lot lately. You’ve seen this in the LOA Deep Dive posts, my series on the path of a manifestation and its four levels.

[25:09] Creating Space

Brandon: Last week, I said that basically your job is to choose it, plant that seed, give it over to the universe, and then create the openness inside yourself. You’re not actually doing anything once you give it over to the universe. Your job is to create the openness within yourself. Creating the openness means making the space and room inside yourself for it to be delivered and enter in. That’s your job. That’s your only job, and it’s receiving. It’s making room to receive. If you’re worried or are trying to make things happen, you’re not in a place of receiving. I’ve been stealing Abraham’s term “the receptive mode,” [laughs] because it fits here.

Being in that place of receiving or the receptive mode where things can just enter in and be delivered to you where you have that openness—that’s the main thing you want to focus on. The choosing part is really easy. I still say to focus on it regularly because it forces you to create that openness, but you can’t keep focusing on it. You have to enter that place of being receptive and creating that openness. That’s what it’s really all about, not the acting and the trying and that kind of stuff. It’s this passive sort of thing.

Caller #2: I liked that analogy that you had of (I might not have this absolutely exact how you wrote it) making an order on Amazon for a new bedroom suite. Clearing out the old bedroom suite because you know that it’s coming. You’re making space for that new one to come in. That made little sparkies go off for me.

Brandon: If it’s at your door and you’re like, “Ah! Where am I going to put this? I haven’t really removed the old one yet.” They can’t come in. It’s clogging up the works.

[27:28] Taking a Leap of Faith

Caller #2: What do you think about going a step ahead? I know I always go on about my car. What say I went ahead and sold my car? Would that create enough of a vacuum that another car would have to come in?

Brandon: That is where structural tension comes in. I’ve talked about structural tension before. It depends on you. Theoretically yes, that’d be a great move—but not if you’re going to get hit with more resistance, if you can’t trust. I’ll give an example in my life. I recently (since April) started my full-time job. Over time, I realized that was not my soul’s purpose. It was draining me. I did not want to do it.

My coach said, “Why don’t you go part-time?” I said, “Oh, my God. I don’t know if I can trust and go part-time. That’s kind of scary.” She said, “Could you afford it to keep up that difference for a few months until your business builds up?” I said, “I think so.” So last month at the beginning of September, I went part-time. That gave me that extra space in my life. One of the things my coach told me to do was write on my calendar, “These are the times I have clients.” Make client spaces on your calendar. At that time, even if you don’t have a client, go in your office. Do some kind of work on your business even when you don’t have a client. That way it’s telling the universe I’m open for clients.

Christine: He’s there all the time in his office.

Brandon: Yes, I’m here all the time. I’m here right now. I started doing that, and it really worked. Things really started taking off. There’s this openness. Now, it would be easy for me to be like, “Oh, my God. I’m not going to have much money anymore from my other job. What if this doesn’t happen?” Sometimes I get tempted to go down that road. I just don’t let myself—at least, not for long.

If I do, I do the thing I said earlier. I just let the anxiety have its way, have its voice, flow through me. Then I’m like, “You know what? Things are awesome right now, and it’s just going to keep getting better.” That structural tension invites more clients to come and my business to grow. The same kind of thing—I have a goal (I won’t say the timeframe here) to pretty soon quit my job altogether. I think it’s going to be possible. I told Christine I know for a fact that the latest I’ll have to do it is the end of this year. My goal is sooner than that, but I won’t say the exact date because that would be too much resistance for me. But I know for a fact it will be by the end of this year. I’m choosing for it to be sooner. That is more structural tension because I have to make up the difference. The business has to grow. That kind of thing—if you can do that and trust. 

People who ask, “Should I quit my job and pursue my passion?” If you can trust and you know that you’ll be able to make up the difference, then yes. If it’s just going to create a ton of anxiety for you, then no. It just depends on you and your situation. Does that make sense? 

Caller #2: Yes.

Brandon: If you sold your car and you’re like, “Wait. Now what am I going to do?” [laughs] “I don’t have a car. It has to come by this time or else I’m really, really messed up.” It’s probably not a great idea. But if you do it and you’re like, “Now I really feel that tension. I really feel that I need to do this. I really feel that space where a car needs to be, so I’m just going to create space inside myself, then that could really be a powerful impetus to cause it to come.” But largely, when I’m talking about create openness, it’s an energetic thing. You’re creating inside yourself. I’m expecting a car, and I’m creating this openness within myself. The universe just has it delivered. There’s this room inside me for that to happen. There’s no blockages. When I think about it, I feel peace. I don’t feel anxiety. I don’t feel resistance. That’s what I mean by creating openness.

[32:11] Determination

I keep going back to Taoism because that’s a great framework for seeing all this stuff. Taoism is all about that minimum effort and path of least resistance where you’re not really trying or you’re trying as little as you need to. That wu wei, nondoing sort of thing. If you feel like you’re struggling or trying to do something, you’re doing it wrong. I had someone email me the other day who said this perfectly. He basically said, “I just decide that this is going to happen.” I said this. This is my lingo, my verbiage, a lot last year at the end of 2016. Just decide your goal is going to happen.

A lot of us aren’t to that space where we can actually do that yet, so you have to transition. But he said, “I just decide it’s going to happen, and then I don’t worry about it.” That’s basically what it is. That’s why I say choose it and then let it go to the universe. Keep choosing it every day and letting it go to the universe, but don’t worry about it. Just trust. Take that passive letting go trusting stance, and it will happen really quickly. It really will.

Caller #2: Some of the big things that have gone right to the wire for me, maybe even beyond the wire. [laughs] I have actually put it out to the universe, “This is non-negotiable. This is going to happen. It has to happen. There’s just no other way around it.” And it does. It has.

Brandon: [Caller #1], I liked what you said the other day. I don’t think I responded to it yet—your email about those dire situations where we access that place where it just has to happen. We get to that place, and then it does. But if we can train ourselves to just get to that place where it just has to happen because I’m deciding it—I’m going to trust because there’s no other choice—without actually making it that dire, we’d be pretty set. That’s kind of the sweet spot we need to get to.

Caller #1: Yes. It definitely is something that for me had gotten tied to making circumstances dire. [laughs] Which doesn’t need to happen.

Brandon: Yes, that doesn’t work. [laughs]

Caller #1: I was actually talking with my family about this the other day. They’ve been reading a bunch of your posts, and we’ve been talking about law of attraction and magic. I had mentioned, “Do you ever just get really angry about something and be like, screw it, this is going to happen, and then it happens?” They’re like, “No, but you’re usually more determined than the rest of us. I don’t think it’s the getting mad. I think it’s the determination.” [laughs] I had misattributed it.

Brandon: That’s like me. I like to set deadlines for myself. I know this doesn’t work for all of you. It works for me really well. The reason is I’m really good at manifesting under pressure. What I’ll do is say, “I want this goal by the end of the month.” The first two weeks of the month, I’m like, “Hey, I have a while to go. Things are okay.” Then by week 3, I’m like, “Hang on a second. I have two more weeks to get this done.” Then it’s the last week. “Oh, my gosh. This has to happen now!” Then it does, because I’m really, really set on this. It just has to happen.

It’s an arbitrary goal. It’s not a dire thing. But I make it non-negotiable for myself. This has to happen by the end of this month. The closer the end of the month approaches, the more I’m like, “It’s going to happen. I really better get things together because we’re almost there.” A lot of times I’ll get things within five days. Last month in the five days at the end of the month. I’ve had things on the very last day come together. The last time that happened was last November. I had my monthly goal happen on the very last day of the month. But usually it’s in the last week. One day I’ll learn to pace myself better, but for now that’s my secret for getting things to happen in my life. [laughs] Set a goal, then really stress about it when it comes close. [laughs] I’m sorry, that’s horrible advice, but it works for me. Don’t listen to that.

Christine: You have anxiety.

Brandon: I have anxiety. It just gets me in gear. It works for me. Figure out how it works for you. [laughs]

[36:59] Experiment for Yourself

Caller #1: It comes down to the anxiety and the feeling that you need to do something. If you have a lot of that, then it’s going to spiral and crash and burn. [laughs]

Caller #2: I’ve always thought that it was that I put so much more will into it, that state where it’s got to happen today or tomorrow. There’s just so much more power in my will. I think up to that point, I’m a little bit more relaxed about it. Perhaps the power isn’t there to drive it.

Brandon: I’ve discussed power as one of the components or forces of this. The parting thought I have here is that it’s this dynamic balance. It’s so hard to get it right. People just are either too set on it or they’re like, “It has to happen, but what if it doesn’t?” like is going on with [Caller #1].

Caller #1: Yes.

Brandon: Then other people are like, “It would be awesome if it happened, but whatever.” Then it doesn’t happen, either, because it’s not powerful enough. We have to set this balance between “This is going to happen!” so it just has to, “but I’m going to let the universe do its part.” I’m going to set the intention really strongly and really put my will out there, but I’m not going to slave away to try to make this happen with my ego. That’s the balance. It’s persistence, and yet it’s letting go, this trust. That’s the balance we have to reach. I feel like it’s really hard to get that perfectly right. If you do it too passively, it won’t work. If you do it too strongly, it won’t work. You have to get that balance right on. That’s really the biggest secret. You’ll get that with experience as you go. For me, that’s what it is, just like you said. This is going to happen because it’s just going to, but I can let it go. I can trust the universe to do the rest. Is that kind of how you experience it?

Caller #2: Yes. I think what you’re trying to do is like teaching someone to ski just by telling them about it. Like at some stage we’re just going to have to push off and do it for ourselves. [laughs]

Brandon: Yes, exactly. Try this for yourself. It does work. When you get to that place where you just know this stuff does work, then you can experiment. What works, what doesn’t work? Figure it out for yourself. I think a lot of us have this lingering doubt: Am I fooling myself? What if all this is just stupid and not actually real? [Caller #1 laughs] I hit a little too close to home there.

Caller #1: I’ve had a couple of moments where I’m like, “Am I just totally nuts?” [laughs]

Brandon: Yes. I used to get that a lot. I’ve seen so much now that I don’t get that. We keep ourselves from experimenting because we have that secret fear. What if this isn’t actually real and we are loony?

Caller #2: That was just coincidence.

Brandon: Or coincidence, yes. But that’s the balance you have to hit. Great topic, though. It’s awesome. I hope that that helps. We’ll be here next week for another Creators Circle. For those listening, to get the transcript, sign up below this recording. Feel free to leave comments about what you think about our topics today, or ask your own questions. Otherwise, we’ll see you guys next week.

Christine: All righty. Sounds good.

Brandon: Thanks for all the questions today. It was awesome.

Christine: It was fun.

Caller #1: Thank you.

Brandon: It was. Bye, everyone.

Caller #2: Thanks, everyone.

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