Astrology is not a topic I’ve discussed much if at all yet. However, a recent discovery of my own has caused me to write this post. What is that discovery?
Recently I was just thinking with some trepidation that my Saturn return would be coming up soon. I figured I’d go look when my Saturn return was going to start.
Only to find out… it had started over 2 years ago! 😮 Not only that, but the strongest point of my Saturn return—when Saturn reaches an exact conjunction with my natal Saturn—is coming up in only a little over a week, on February 22.
If you don’t know what any of that means, don’t worry. I’ll explain it later.
The Saturn return is one of those major life events in astrology that everyone notices, even if they don’t realize what it is. So, I want to discuss here what exactly the Saturn return is, how mine has been affecting me, and how you can get through it relatively unscathed.
Why Should You Care?
All right, let’s get the obvious out of the way. Why should you care about all this astrology stuff? It seems overcomplicated, and sort of antithetical to the principles of the law of attraction.
I mean, the law of attraction talks about complete freedom and your power as an infinite creator. So, how can all that be true, and it also be true that the planets and stars are influencing your everyday life?
There aren’t too many answers out there, and honestly this could probably be a post of its own. However, I feel this is an area that is underrepresented, and will give the best answer I can here, before moving on.
Infinite Doesn’t Necessarily Mean Limitless
At first glance, that looks like a completely ridiculous statement. But it’s not.
I remember a few years back, when I was in college and taking a Calculus II class. At the time, my professor had said that there were different types of infinity. There’s the set of all possible numbers, which is definitely infinite. Then there’s the set of all rational numbers, which is infinite, but slightly less so. Then there’s the set of all integers, which is still infinite, but even less so. Then there’s the set of all positive integers, which is also infinite, but less so.
Even to take all possible numbers between the integers 1 and 2, you have an infinite set. You’ll never run out of numbers. But it excludes all numbers 2 or above, and all numbers less than 1. But, still infinite.
Infinite doesn’t mean limitless.
A while ago on one of my posts, we had a bit of a discussion about what exactly the “anything” meant in “anything is possible”. I conceded that “anything” did not include things like square triangles or circles with corners, and there were several other definitions of things that were still definitely impossible. Still, I didn’t change my stance that “anything is possible”.
My point is, saying your an infinite creator does not mean that you are free of outside influences, or that you have no limits on your power. It means that you are infinitely capable of creating. Your very nature is one of creation.
One of these limits is from astrology—from the planets and stars that were positioned in various locations around the Zodiac at your birth. These celestial bodies influence the flow of energy through every stage of your life. This doesn’t mean that your free will is curtailed, but it does mean that you have certain patterns that will either support or hinder you, and that some of these patterns may be activated at certain times of your life.
What Is the Saturn Return?
That brings me to my next point. The Saturn return is one of these astrological influences, which occurs 2 or 3 times throughout your life.
Honestly, it is one of the reasons I am certain that the Universe is not all fluffy bunnies, unicorns and rainbows, as some would have you believe. The Saturn return… well… is not pleasant at the best of times. It’s not meant to be pleasant. It’s meant to trigger the biggest lessons you need to learn in this life. The intensity of the Saturn return depends on your own chart, but it’s not a walk in the park.
You can see it somewhat as a wakeup call. Sometimes we can get lackadaisical with life. We get comfortable. The Saturn return is meant to toss things up a bit and get us out of our comfort zone.
How It Works
But before I get ahead of myself, let me describe the mechanics of it.
You’re probably familiar with the major Zodiac signs: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc. They form a circle on which each of the planets can be located. Your Sun might be in Taurus, for example, but your Moon may be in Scorpio, your Saturn in Leo, and your Jupiter in Aquarius. That is the exact position of the planets at the very moment of your birth.
Now, those planets will influence what type of person you are, what kind of interests you have, what obstacles you meet, what challenges you face, etc.
But they aren’t finished. As the planets make their transits around the Sun, they come into aspect with your natal planets (basically where they were at your birth), and bring certain patterns, opportunities, and challenges to the surface.
I’ll discuss this a lot more in this weekend’s podcast, but I wanted to give a bit of an intro.
It’s not so big for the five inner planets, because they are much closer to us and have a smaller distance to travel. The Moon cycles every 29 days or so. The Sun obviously takes a full year to make its cycle (yes, obviously the Sun doesn’t move, but astrology is geocentric, not heliocentric). Mercury, Venus, and Mars are all just a year or two.
But immediately once you get to the outer planets, the duration becomes a lot longer, and therefore their impact on our lives becomes greater in the long term. Jupiter takes 12 whole years to traverse the Zodiac. Saturn takes around 29 years. Then there’s another major uptick with Uranus at 84 years, Neptune at 165 years, and Pluto at an unfathomable 248 years.
Pluto was in 10° Scorpio when I was born. Today, over 28 years later, it has only moved 2 signs, and currently rests at 18° Capricorn. That’s pretty slow!
Again, Saturn revolves around the Zodiac once every approximately 29 years. That means that every 29 years, Saturn will re-enter the same sign it was in when you were born, and remain there for 2 or 3 years.
This is the Saturn return. It returns to the same position it has in your natal chart. For me, my natal Saturn is in Sagittarius. So, my Saturn return began back in 2015 when Saturn entered Sagittarius, and will remain there until the end of 2017.
On top of this, at some point Saturn will cross the exact degree of your natal Saturn. My natal Saturn is at 26° Sagittarius, which it will again cross starting on February 22, just a bit over a week away. The weeks and months around this specific point will be the height of your Saturn return.
Saturn: The Cosmic Teacher
So once again, why does any of this matter? Why do we pay so much attention to Saturn?
As I mentioned, this is a pretty big deal in astrology. Cosmically speaking, your first Saturn return is when you mature into full adulthood. It’s a right of passage in a way. You’ve met your biggest challenges, learned the lessons you must learn, and you come out the other side far stronger than before. Only Saturn has the power to do this.
Why? To know this, you must know a bit about Saturn.
Some call Saturn “the cosmic taskmaster”. I don’t use this title because I think it’s a bit strong (only a little, though). It’s a little too pessimistic to my view. I more see Saturn as the cosmic teacher, or the Zen master who will whack you with a stick to teach you some hidden lesson.
Jupiter is also a teacher figure, but more of the benevolent kind. Jupiter would rather reward you with wonderful experiences and help you to expand. Jupiter is the one that most people in the law of attraction community focus on, even without using the name. The Jupiterian energy is benevolent, expansive, and positive—everything that we like to focus on.
But, as I’ll mention in this weekend’s podcast, this is only one side of the coin.
Saturn is a teacher, too, but more of the strict disciplinarian. In the end it wants you to grow, but its means of encouraging that growth is through tests and challenges in life. Saturn is called “the Lord of Karma” in some traditions. It triggers your most deeply-seeded negative patterns and limiting beliefs, and brings them to the surface to be worked on.
Saturn is all about boundaries, challenges, restriction, order, structure, etc. While none of us might love those things, they are required. Structure is needed to keep things ordered. What would the country be like if the government just said, “Hey, you guys just do whatever you like.” While many of us dream of such a thing, in reality it wouldn’t be so good. We need the structure of government for the orderly operation of society. That structure and order is Saturn at work.
Even though I work for myself, I can’t just do whatever I want to do. If I don’t write blog posts, develop courses, market myself, and so on, no one comes. I must have a structure to my work. This is Saturn at work.
If you have a goal, you can’t just feel good to the exclusion of all else. Yes you have that more Jupiterian energy, but you also must take structured steps towards that goal. If you want to write a book, it won’t write itself. It won’t submit itself to publishers. It won’t market itself. This is Saturn at work.
My First Saturn Return
My Saturn return began properly in 2015. However, it had a short stint in Sagittarius starting in December, 2014, lasting for 6 months, after which it reentered Scorpio due to retrograde. It entered Sagittarius again in September, 2015, and will remain there until December, 2017.
As I said, I had no idea. I knew the Saturn return happened around the age of 28 or 29, so I figured I had a year or so. I was totally surprised when I looked at my chart and found that it had been going on for 2+ years.
But, after I thought about it, I wasn’t entirely surprised.
During my Saturn return, I started my new business, Co-Creation Coaching (mid 2015). I met with major resistance, self-doubt, and discouragement at first. I’ve already discussed on several occasions the panic-inducing emergency I had in September 2015, when I had to put the law of attraction to the test. I’ve told you about the months of no clients, when I didn’t know if I would or could succeed.
I’ve mentioned before the time in early 2016 when I almost gave up and went back to school. Thanks to several major obstacles, I did not take that path.
All throughout 2016, I grew in leaps and bounds in my understanding of the law of attraction.
But, nothing has been so big as the events I’ve experienced as Saturn has approached the exact degree of my natal Saturn. Over the last few months, I have reawakened my belief in the magical, started working with various deities, and learned much more about these topics than ever before. My success with the law of attraction has skyrocketed since the end of 2016.
And still there are about 10 months left in my Saturn return. I have no idea what it will bring.
I know none of the above sounds that challenging, but especially initially, it was. It’s completely changed my own self-image. As I said, I really didn’t know if I could succeed at first. Due to the challenges Saturn threw my way, though, I gained much more self-confidence. Who I am now in 2017 is totally different than who I was in 2014 before all of this started.
What to Expect from Your Saturn Return
So, as I said, Saturn cycles around every 28-29 years. You’ll have a Saturn return generally at least twice, around the age of 28, and around the age of 56. If you live long enough, your third Saturn return would take place around the age of 84.
What you can expect from your own Saturn return depends on several things. First it depends on whether you were born during the day or night. If you were born during the day, as I was, your Saturn return probably won’t be as hard. You’ll get more of the beneficial results, without as many of the challenges. I’m not saying it’ll be a walk in the park, but it’ll be easier at least.
If you were born at night, though, you’ll get more of the challenging aspects. In traditional astrology, Saturn naturally belongs to the day, so it is more malefic (stronger in its negative attributions) at night.
Secondly, it depends on the houses it traverses throughout your Saturn return, as well as the houses it rules in your chart. That’s a pretty advanced astrological topic, and not one I can really discuss here. However, each astrological “house” covers different areas of life. A Saturn return in the 10th house might impact career. In the 4th house, it’ll probably impact your home and family life. In the 7th house, and you’ll be looking at relationships.
At the end of this post, I will show how you can get access to a free tool I literally just developed, which will tell you exactly when your Saturn returns are, as well as which houses it will happen in, and what this means for you. Or, you can book an astrology session, which I also just started offering. I’ve been studying astrology for several years, but never felt it was quite time to start offering that here until now. In a session, we can look much deeper into your Saturn return and what it will hold in store for you.
But remember, no matter which area of life your Saturn return touches, it will be about boundaries, restriction, challenges, obstacles, etc. It’ll be about pruning away the old and bringing in the new. I’ve heard of people who have ended old relationships during their Saturn return, which were no longer serving them. Previously they were too afraid to act, but Saturn tends to force the matter. Or, people have shut down unprofitable businesses that they were holding on to. Some quit their job that they’ve been stuck at for years.
You’re not going to get through without any change to your life, but it doesn’t have to be overwhelmingly painful. If you accept the obstacles it brings up in a spirit of inner work and personal growth, you should be okay. If you take responsibility for your life, instead of pointing to others for your problems, you should be fine. But, you will be transformed by this process.
How About You?
Now it’s your turn. Have you already gone through your Saturn return, or is one looming around the corner? Try out the tool I’ll introduce below and let me know your thoughts in the comments.
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Yes, this is pretty accurate and the tool you created to figure it out is pretty accurate as well. Basically, it is a time of major changes and shifts.
The thing with Saturn is that, as a Capricorn, this is my dominant planet or something like that, and I know it as the planet of struggle and that sums up a capricorn’s life. All we do is stretch ourselves. We live many different lives within this one we got here, which is great for purposes of expansion, but it has its toll. It’s never easy so I wonder if it ever will be?
Hi Kat,
I’m glad you liked the tool. 🙂
I wouldn’t say that Capricorn is defined by struggle. It can be, but it’s not necessarily so. Capricorns are more about structure, achieving goals, working hard, etc. They generally need order in their lives. Of course, it depends on a lot more than your Sun sign. It’d also depend on your ascendant, the placement of your Saturn, etc. Do you know your ascendant by chance?
I just checked and it’s Scorpio. Pretty tough so plowing through stuff is the m.o.
Capricorn is interesting because it’s the seagoat, so it’s between two entities. Also, if you go by the yugas, Capricorn is part of the golden age. I thought that was really interesting! I can certainly relate to that.
Scorpio will be the reason for your struggle. It is all about transformation, death of the old, rebirth of the new. Scorpio’s a tough one.
I swear you must either have a well-placed Venus in your chart, or a lot of Gemini or Libra, as that’s how you strike me: very social and outgoing.
Yes, I do! I have some Gemini in there somewhere and Venus too! Someone did my full chart once and I remember those. ??
Most of the successful people I know are actually scorpios. How’s that?
Probably because it gives them the kick they need to succeed. Pluto (ruling planet of Scorpio) is good like that, though painful at times.
I see. Would that not apply to me? If not, what would? What gives??
Hi Kat,
Well, you have to take the whole chart into account. That’s why astrology is a very complex science. You have a minimum of seven traditional planets in 12 signs and 12 houses, aspects between all of them, plus three additional modern planets that are often used, plus their signs/houses/aspects. You can’t take all Capricorn Suns or Scorpio ascendants and try to generalize, at least not much, because that’s only a very, very small part of the equation.
You could have some hard aspects to your Saturn, Sun, or even Jupiter, which could explain your struggles. I wouldn’t know unless I saw your chart.
Ok, I know. I just don’t want to feel like I’m not doomed. ?
You’re never doomed. Remember that you always have free will. Your chart just represents the cosmic influences in your life. They are there for the express purpose of you working through them. They are not meant to be chains that bind you for the rest of your life.
Hoping no one here has experienced the uptick in Uranus.
B, its always hard to reconcile Astrology and free will, but I know most of the people I read will hold this view, so I accept it. Would be good if the calculator could be accessed without putting all that very personal info online for hackers to access. They’d love that stuff.
Hi CJ,
The tool is on a secure connection by SSL, and I developed it myself so I know that none of it is logged or stored in any way. Plus, people can’t get much from your birth date/time and city.
ok. I’m very cautious nowadays since Yahoo mail servers were hacked twice with everyone told “sorry, reset your passwords”.
If it was downloadable that would make it much more secure.
Actually downloadable would probably be less secure honestly. I understand your hesitation though.
B I had a cute little manifesto yesterday. I was agonizing over whether I would attempt to heal a person with a significant health issue. Do I take her on as a ‘patient?’ Is this the right thing to be doing? I ask my spirit guides even though I don’t really have faith in that. Almost immediately outside I hear a radio playing with the lyrics “It’s no better to be safe than sorry, Take me on, Take on me”. So it did! Have to wait for her next dr appointment to find out though.
Wow that’s very cool! Congratulations on the synchronicity.
Sometimes I wonder why I doubt the process so often. I mean, I’ve had some great successes. I will share them now.
1. A CD that I wanted for awhile now turned up out of the blue at Walmart and then I bought it. It was not there the other times.
2. I needed to meet and talk with someone who I had no way to contact/get in touch with, and then the next day we ran into each other at the local store. That is a serendipity.
3. When I lived on campus I found coins on the ground very very very often. So often, in fact, that there’s really no way it could have been just a coincidence (Not a pun btw).
4. I got an awesome job that I really wanted at the last possible second.
5. I found a 5 dollar bill on the ground, then a 10 dollar bill a week later and then two weeks later I found a 50 dollar bill.
Hi Cody,
Trust takes time, and it is against our egoic nature. You will get there. 🙂 Those are some awesome manifestations.
I’ve entered my e-mail 4 times now, but I haven’t received any mail or anything. Since I’m around half year older than you, I guess it’s been happening for me. Based on that, and on when this whole thing started for you, it might be connected to me and my current college, since it’s been almost 2.5 years, but I don’t know. I know my sufferings have been around for 16 years, so that can’t be Saturn. I guess it doesn’t matter that much. I am where I am, doing the best I can.
Hi Z,
Not necessarily. Two different charts can differ pretty wildly.
Did you check your spam folder? I know it has worked for others, so it should be functional. Be sure to check any spam, junk, or promotions folder just in case.
Hi Z,
Can you try again and let me know what message you get? I don’t even see your email in the pending queue, so it doesn’t look like it went through for some reason.
Yes, this is pretty accurate and the tool you created to figure it out is pretty accurate as well. Basically, it is a time of major changes and shifts.
The thing with Saturn is that, as a Capricorn, this is my dominant planet or something like that, and I know it as the planet of struggle and that sums up a capricorn’s life. All we do is stretch ourselves. We live many different lives within this one we got here, which is great for purposes of expansion, but it has its toll. It’s never easy so I wonder if it ever will be?
Hi Kat,
I’m glad you liked the tool. 🙂
I wouldn’t say that Capricorn is defined by struggle. It can be, but it’s not necessarily so. Capricorns are more about structure, achieving goals, working hard, etc. They generally need order in their lives. Of course, it depends on a lot more than your Sun sign. It’d also depend on your ascendant, the placement of your Saturn, etc. Do you know your ascendant by chance?
I just checked and it’s Scorpio. Pretty tough so plowing through stuff is the m.o.
Capricorn is interesting because it’s the seagoat, so it’s between two entities. Also, if you go by the yugas, Capricorn is part of the golden age. I thought that was really interesting! I can certainly relate to that.
Scorpio will be the reason for your struggle. It is all about transformation, death of the old, rebirth of the new. Scorpio’s a tough one.
I swear you must either have a well-placed Venus in your chart, or a lot of Gemini or Libra, as that’s how you strike me: very social and outgoing.
Yes, I do! I have some Gemini in there somewhere and Venus too! Someone did my full chart once and I remember those. ??
Most of the successful people I know are actually scorpios. How’s that?
Probably because it gives them the kick they need to succeed. Pluto (ruling planet of Scorpio) is good like that, though painful at times.
I see. Would that not apply to me? If not, what would? What gives??
Hi Kat,
Well, you have to take the whole chart into account. That’s why astrology is a very complex science. You have a minimum of seven traditional planets in 12 signs and 12 houses, aspects between all of them, plus three additional modern planets that are often used, plus their signs/houses/aspects. You can’t take all Capricorn Suns or Scorpio ascendants and try to generalize, at least not much, because that’s only a very, very small part of the equation.
You could have some hard aspects to your Saturn, Sun, or even Jupiter, which could explain your struggles. I wouldn’t know unless I saw your chart.
Ok, I know. I just don’t want to feel like I’m not doomed. ?
You’re never doomed. Remember that you always have free will. Your chart just represents the cosmic influences in your life. They are there for the express purpose of you working through them. They are not meant to be chains that bind you for the rest of your life.
Hoping no one here has experienced the uptick in Uranus.
B, its always hard to reconcile Astrology and free will, but I know most of the people I read will hold this view, so I accept it. Would be good if the calculator could be accessed without putting all that very personal info online for hackers to access. They’d love that stuff.
Hi CJ,
The tool is on a secure connection by SSL, and I developed it myself so I know that none of it is logged or stored in any way. Plus, people can’t get much from your birth date/time and city.
ok. I’m very cautious nowadays since Yahoo mail servers were hacked twice with everyone told “sorry, reset your passwords”.
If it was downloadable that would make it much more secure.
Actually downloadable would probably be less secure honestly. I understand your hesitation though.
B I had a cute little manifesto yesterday. I was agonizing over whether I would attempt to heal a person with a significant health issue. Do I take her on as a ‘patient?’ Is this the right thing to be doing? I ask my spirit guides even though I don’t really have faith in that. Almost immediately outside I hear a radio playing with the lyrics “It’s no better to be safe than sorry, Take me on, Take on me”. So it did! Have to wait for her next dr appointment to find out though.
Wow that’s very cool! Congratulations on the synchronicity.
Sometimes I wonder why I doubt the process so often. I mean, I’ve had some great successes. I will share them now.
1. A CD that I wanted for awhile now turned up out of the blue at Walmart and then I bought it. It was not there the other times.
2. I needed to meet and talk with someone who I had no way to contact/get in touch with, and then the next day we ran into each other at the local store. That is a serendipity.
3. When I lived on campus I found coins on the ground very very very often. So often, in fact, that there’s really no way it could have been just a coincidence (Not a pun btw).
4. I got an awesome job that I really wanted at the last possible second.
5. I found a 5 dollar bill on the ground, then a 10 dollar bill a week later and then two weeks later I found a 50 dollar bill.
Hi Cody,
Trust takes time, and it is against our egoic nature. You will get there. 🙂 Those are some awesome manifestations.
I’ve entered my e-mail 4 times now, but I haven’t received any mail or anything. Since I’m around half year older than you, I guess it’s been happening for me. Based on that, and on when this whole thing started for you, it might be connected to me and my current college, since it’s been almost 2.5 years, but I don’t know. I know my sufferings have been around for 16 years, so that can’t be Saturn. I guess it doesn’t matter that much. I am where I am, doing the best I can.
Hi Z,
Not necessarily. Two different charts can differ pretty wildly.
Did you check your spam folder? I know it has worked for others, so it should be functional. Be sure to check any spam, junk, or promotions folder just in case.
Hi Z,
Can you try again and let me know what message you get? I don’t even see your email in the pending queue, so it doesn’t look like it went through for some reason.
My life is over. Truly and utterly. I’ve been dying for years, and despite that I would still get up countless times and push onward. Today I failed 2 exams, even though I enjoyed studying for them, I was sure I would pass, and I kept focusing on passing them for months now, almost every day. With this failing, my studying at college has to be extended by a year. That brings so many problems to me, and puts me even more behind my colleagues. However what hurts the most is that I am utterly powerless to live. I can’t deliberately direct my life no matter what. I even had awful nausea last night and eventually I vomited in the morning, which rendered me physically weak for the next several hours. Despite all the shit that life threw at me, I continued countless times. LOA / magic gave sense to those sufferings, since I believed that I would finally manage to succeed. But I can’t even pass exams, I can’t repair my body, I can’t manifest that jacket, nor money, and I’m still alone every day. I am utterly powerless and now more than ever, that has been proven. I couldn’t succeed in life with the traditional way, and I couldn’t succeed in the LOA / magical way. My life definitely has no meaning, as I am completely powerless and incapable of anything. I truly believed this would work, but it just wouldn’t. I’ve tried countless times, and still couldn’t make it work. I really don’t understand why I am completely powerless, even though I’ve tried everything. Why can everyone make it, and I can’t? I am a cursed soul, doomed with inability to achieve anything. Nothing successful applies to me. There’s no meaning in anything for me anymore. I am sad that all this interaction with people here went to waste. It sucks that it was all futile, in vain. I am useless and unable to live, unlike others. I don’t plan to end my life, because I’m fed up with thoughts about that, too. However there’s also no meaning in trying to apply LOA or magic. Too bad, I really like the whole thing. It just won’t work for me. I am disappointed with life and my powerlessness in it. If I were living the way I was supposed to, I would live for people and support them. But since I’m eternally bleeding and dying inside, I can’t do that. Pity….
Hi Z,
I’m so sorry to hear that you failed your exams.
I know this is probably tired to you by now, but you keep fighting against this feeling of being powerless and a “cursed soul”, and that’s all you can get as long as you believe it. It is proven to you, because you believe it. If you believe otherwise, then something else will be proven to you.
You can get through this. Take a few days to let this negative energy comes up, and you’ll feel better I hope.
Take it easy though, and don’t be hard on yourself.
Every failure of manifesting makes my belief weaker and weaker. Confidence in manifesting should be built with successes. However I’ve had so many failures, which have been killing the confidence. Based on what can I believe in anything anymore? A few months ago I had more belief that LOA / magic would work for me, than I have now, since now I have experiences of it not working for me. I realize that me writing this is useless. I see it from 1 perspective, and you see it from another one. You’ve been able to talk with your guides and spirits and gods, and feel the support of the Universe for the most of your life. I can’t do shit, and even though I’ve been more and more appreciative of the Universe and everyone and everything supporting me, I still see my inability to live the way I want to live. I wasn’t expecting to fail today. I was sure I would succeed. I can’t even rest, since tomorrow is another exam, and the after that one studying for more exams next week.
You know, I’m sure that if you asked gods or whoever, they would tell you that there really are souls that are meant to suffer, without the ability to succeed. Maybe before I was born, I was informed (or I decided for some reason) that LOA / magic will be disabled for me in this lifetime. What better way of experiencing suffering than suffer for years, learn about the power all of us are supposed to have, struggle with learning to use it, and eventually learning that the powers are disabled for me.
When you defragment your PC, there are chunks of data that can’t be moved. I am to this world, what that immovable data is to the whole disk. Exceptions exist everywhere.
Hi Z,
Again these are very disempowering beliefs. No, no soul is meant to suffer forever without means of escape. Every soul, without exception, is a creator. The gods have been very emphatic about this with me.
But, sometimes we do choose to suffer for a time. However, it is just so that you can discover your own inner strength and learn how to create. You are not destined to remain where you are. You have to create your own destiny.
Z, this applies to me as well, because I pretty much hate where I am but make the most of it. Brandon says some good stuff here, it is worth re-reading.
From a practical standpoint, is there anything you can do to make yourself feel better? Anything? I know this blog is one and that is good.
When you take exams, do you take one by one or are there many at once? Do you do all the work required throughout the semester, or do you cram? Cramming is not the way to take cumulative exams, so you need to put in the work in order to prep. When you do, do so joyfully, like it is a game and you have a good time. This may not sink in or be applicable at the moment, but it may be later. I think you are in better spirits now anyway so it may click. Is there any way you can shadow an engineer for a while and see what is waiting for you down the road? That way, you can be more inspired. Are there clubs or blogs you can participate in that can help as well? You know, to get the feel for the profession? Even if you do not want to go into it in the end, it may still help.
I’ve mentioned my cousin before I think who studied physics and was at University a really long time (you will freak if I write it here, so I won’t), and finally finished when he got married and had to move away, so he needed to get his degree before moving. Also, his wife inspired and encouraged him, so it worked. Perhaps down the road this will happen. As Brandon mentioned, something will happen to get you out of this, you will not be there forever.
I would like to add that my cousin now tutors math and he likes it very much.
Also, I said something that is possible about a certain situation, and it happened today!
So, Z, perhaps it is best to do current level goals and see thins happen and move while working on your school stuff and that will move as well, albeit like a glacier, but hey, I love those valleys the glaciers left behind! Gotta love them.
I just found out that I failed another exam, an exam that was so easy for me, and I knew almost all the answers, that I was 100% sure I would pass. Not even in my wildest dreams would I expect to fail that exam. This stands out so much, that it’s obvious that there is something in my energy field that’s sabotaging me. It’s probably sabotaging me (working against me) more than ever now, because I have been actively focusing on doing well and passing exams. I guess I’ll have to meditate and try to find some answers. Maybe I need to sit with the feelings and amplify them. That has worked in the past.
Ok please disregard the previous comment. It was an error in the college system, I did pass that last exam I mentioned. Doesn’t really matter, but at least it’s something.
Sounds like what I’d expect to see as a cosmic joke. The Universe messing with you in a way, because of your vibration around exams. Celebrate that you did indeed pass. 🙂
Z, I just came back from psych class where we talked about feelings getting in the way of success. The goal is not to perpetuate bad feelings. Just say “next” and move on. Ok, so it happened. Next. Seriously, zero state it. It’s really the place to be. Don’t take feelings so seriously. Move on from them. Oh, and you passed a class. As B said, celebrate it. ???
It’s not even tough love, it just makes sense and is logical. Even if you need to drag yourself, just move on.
Yeah I’m glad I passed this last one. However because of failing the exams yesterday, I still have to extend my studying for a year. It brings a lot of problems for me, although I don’t feel as bad about it as I did yesterday. Maybe I’m a ghost not yet aware of being dead. 😮
Thanks, Kat. I don’t know why, but even though yesterday I felt like my world ended, today I feel almost like nothing too serious happened. At times I actually felt like it doesn’t matter, and that I’ll just move on, like you suggested. I don’t know if that shows how strong I’ve become, or it shows how much life has destroyed me, and I’m dead inside so nothing matters anymore. I guess the time will tell.
Kat, thanks for your advice. I appreciate it.
I did take a nap, and few other things, so I’m feeling better now. Although my body has been in pain, probably due to stress. I will try to meditate tomorrow, when I’m not sleepy.
Last year and this semester I couldn’t study regularly, because I was dealing with a lot of depression, mainly from being lonely. Also when I did study, I would often get pain in abdomen or head, or any of the various physical ailments I get. My body is very sensitive to stress. Also fatigue would often hit me, and my brain has trouble memorizing and concentrating. I believe I did the best I could, while pulling myself out of depression, and motivating myself to continue living. I’ve improved a lot over this semester, spiritually and emotionally. I’ve also managed to make studying fun, thanks to applying Brandon’s advice. Sadly, it couldn’t help me this time around.
Yeap, I felt like that during last 1 or 2 weeks. I managed to do it, and it was fun. However since I had a lot to learn, there was also a lot of stress. I guess that if I had applied this during the semester, I would have done well.
Nope. I have never known what I would like to do in life. Sometimes I thought I did, but I would always either get disappointed with it, or just lose interest. I like some aspects of the things we’re studying, and I wish I could have been the person I am now a year and a half ago. It would have saved me a lot of pain, and I wouldn’t be knee-deep-in-shit like I am now.
I am in a position in life, where there are bullets coming at me from multiple directions. Either loneliness gets me down, or some physical ailment / pain, or problems with exams, or problems with apartment. I get up, and something else shoots me lol. Another thing is that I need to start manifesting money, because I don’t want my family behind my back. They mean well, but they just add to my stress when worrying about me and my future.
My life is over. Truly and utterly. I’ve been dying for years, and despite that I would still get up countless times and push onward. Today I failed 2 exams, even though I enjoyed studying for them, I was sure I would pass, and I kept focusing on passing them for months now, almost every day. With this failing, my studying at college has to be extended by a year. That brings so many problems to me, and puts me even more behind my colleagues. However what hurts the most is that I am utterly powerless to live. I can’t deliberately direct my life no matter what. I even had awful nausea last night and eventually I vomited in the morning, which rendered me physically weak for the next several hours. Despite all the shit that life threw at me, I continued countless times. LOA / magic gave sense to those sufferings, since I believed that I would finally manage to succeed. But I can’t even pass exams, I can’t repair my body, I can’t manifest that jacket, nor money, and I’m still alone every day. I am utterly powerless and now more than ever, that has been proven. I couldn’t succeed in life with the traditional way, and I couldn’t succeed in the LOA / magical way. My life definitely has no meaning, as I am completely powerless and incapable of anything. I truly believed this would work, but it just wouldn’t. I’ve tried countless times, and still couldn’t make it work. I really don’t understand why I am completely powerless, even though I’ve tried everything. Why can everyone make it, and I can’t? I am a cursed soul, doomed with inability to achieve anything. Nothing successful applies to me. There’s no meaning in anything for me anymore. I am sad that all this interaction with people here went to waste. It sucks that it was all futile, in vain. I am useless and unable to live, unlike others. I don’t plan to end my life, because I’m fed up with thoughts about that, too. However there’s also no meaning in trying to apply LOA or magic. Too bad, I really like the whole thing. It just won’t work for me. I am disappointed with life and my powerlessness in it. If I were living the way I was supposed to, I would live for people and support them. But since I’m eternally bleeding and dying inside, I can’t do that. Pity….
Hi Z,
I’m so sorry to hear that you failed your exams.
I know this is probably tired to you by now, but you keep fighting against this feeling of being powerless and a “cursed soul”, and that’s all you can get as long as you believe it. It is proven to you, because you believe it. If you believe otherwise, then something else will be proven to you.
You can get through this. Take a few days to let this negative energy comes up, and you’ll feel better I hope.
Take it easy though, and don’t be hard on yourself.
Every failure of manifesting makes my belief weaker and weaker. Confidence in manifesting should be built with successes. However I’ve had so many failures, which have been killing the confidence. Based on what can I believe in anything anymore? A few months ago I had more belief that LOA / magic would work for me, than I have now, since now I have experiences of it not working for me. I realize that me writing this is useless. I see it from 1 perspective, and you see it from another one. You’ve been able to talk with your guides and spirits and gods, and feel the support of the Universe for the most of your life. I can’t do shit, and even though I’ve been more and more appreciative of the Universe and everyone and everything supporting me, I still see my inability to live the way I want to live. I wasn’t expecting to fail today. I was sure I would succeed. I can’t even rest, since tomorrow is another exam, and the after that one studying for more exams next week.
You know, I’m sure that if you asked gods or whoever, they would tell you that there really are souls that are meant to suffer, without the ability to succeed. Maybe before I was born, I was informed (or I decided for some reason) that LOA / magic will be disabled for me in this lifetime. What better way of experiencing suffering than suffer for years, learn about the power all of us are supposed to have, struggle with learning to use it, and eventually learning that the powers are disabled for me.
When you defragment your PC, there are chunks of data that can’t be moved. I am to this world, what that immovable data is to the whole disk. Exceptions exist everywhere.
Hi Z,
Again these are very disempowering beliefs. No, no soul is meant to suffer forever without means of escape. Every soul, without exception, is a creator. The gods have been very emphatic about this with me.
But, sometimes we do choose to suffer for a time. However, it is just so that you can discover your own inner strength and learn how to create. You are not destined to remain where you are. You have to create your own destiny.
Z, this applies to me as well, because I pretty much hate where I am but make the most of it. Brandon says some good stuff here, it is worth re-reading.
From a practical standpoint, is there anything you can do to make yourself feel better? Anything? I know this blog is one and that is good.
When you take exams, do you take one by one or are there many at once? Do you do all the work required throughout the semester, or do you cram? Cramming is not the way to take cumulative exams, so you need to put in the work in order to prep. When you do, do so joyfully, like it is a game and you have a good time. This may not sink in or be applicable at the moment, but it may be later. I think you are in better spirits now anyway so it may click. Is there any way you can shadow an engineer for a while and see what is waiting for you down the road? That way, you can be more inspired. Are there clubs or blogs you can participate in that can help as well? You know, to get the feel for the profession? Even if you do not want to go into it in the end, it may still help.
I’ve mentioned my cousin before I think who studied physics and was at University a really long time (you will freak if I write it here, so I won’t), and finally finished when he got married and had to move away, so he needed to get his degree before moving. Also, his wife inspired and encouraged him, so it worked. Perhaps down the road this will happen. As Brandon mentioned, something will happen to get you out of this, you will not be there forever.
I would like to add that my cousin now tutors math and he likes it very much.
Also, I said something that is possible about a certain situation, and it happened today!
So, Z, perhaps it is best to do current level goals and see thins happen and move while working on your school stuff and that will move as well, albeit like a glacier, but hey, I love those valleys the glaciers left behind! Gotta love them.
I just found out that I failed another exam, an exam that was so easy for me, and I knew almost all the answers, that I was 100% sure I would pass. Not even in my wildest dreams would I expect to fail that exam. This stands out so much, that it’s obvious that there is something in my energy field that’s sabotaging me. It’s probably sabotaging me (working against me) more than ever now, because I have been actively focusing on doing well and passing exams. I guess I’ll have to meditate and try to find some answers. Maybe I need to sit with the feelings and amplify them. That has worked in the past.
Ok please disregard the previous comment. It was an error in the college system, I did pass that last exam I mentioned. Doesn’t really matter, but at least it’s something.
Sounds like what I’d expect to see as a cosmic joke. The Universe messing with you in a way, because of your vibration around exams. Celebrate that you did indeed pass. 🙂
Z, I just came back from psych class where we talked about feelings getting in the way of success. The goal is not to perpetuate bad feelings. Just say “next” and move on. Ok, so it happened. Next. Seriously, zero state it. It’s really the place to be. Don’t take feelings so seriously. Move on from them. Oh, and you passed a class. As B said, celebrate it. ???
It’s not even tough love, it just makes sense and is logical. Even if you need to drag yourself, just move on.
Yeah I’m glad I passed this last one. However because of failing the exams yesterday, I still have to extend my studying for a year. It brings a lot of problems for me, although I don’t feel as bad about it as I did yesterday. Maybe I’m a ghost not yet aware of being dead. 😮
Thanks, Kat. I don’t know why, but even though yesterday I felt like my world ended, today I feel almost like nothing too serious happened. At times I actually felt like it doesn’t matter, and that I’ll just move on, like you suggested. I don’t know if that shows how strong I’ve become, or it shows how much life has destroyed me, and I’m dead inside so nothing matters anymore. I guess the time will tell.
Kat, thanks for your advice. I appreciate it.
I did take a nap, and few other things, so I’m feeling better now. Although my body has been in pain, probably due to stress. I will try to meditate tomorrow, when I’m not sleepy.
Last year and this semester I couldn’t study regularly, because I was dealing with a lot of depression, mainly from being lonely. Also when I did study, I would often get pain in abdomen or head, or any of the various physical ailments I get. My body is very sensitive to stress. Also fatigue would often hit me, and my brain has trouble memorizing and concentrating. I believe I did the best I could, while pulling myself out of depression, and motivating myself to continue living. I’ve improved a lot over this semester, spiritually and emotionally. I’ve also managed to make studying fun, thanks to applying Brandon’s advice. Sadly, it couldn’t help me this time around.
Yeap, I felt like that during last 1 or 2 weeks. I managed to do it, and it was fun. However since I had a lot to learn, there was also a lot of stress. I guess that if I had applied this during the semester, I would have done well.
Nope. I have never known what I would like to do in life. Sometimes I thought I did, but I would always either get disappointed with it, or just lose interest. I like some aspects of the things we’re studying, and I wish I could have been the person I am now a year and a half ago. It would have saved me a lot of pain, and I wouldn’t be knee-deep-in-shit like I am now.
I am in a position in life, where there are bullets coming at me from multiple directions. Either loneliness gets me down, or some physical ailment / pain, or problems with exams, or problems with apartment. I get up, and something else shoots me lol. Another thing is that I need to start manifesting money, because I don’t want my family behind my back. They mean well, but they just add to my stress when worrying about me and my future.
Today, at different times, 2 people (beggars) specifically approached me, and asked me for money. I said I’m sorry and refused. One thing is that I’m unemployed, and my parents are providing for me barely, and the other thing is that they chose their experience before they came to this life, and they are powerful creators. Anyway what I wanted to say is, that at these occasions, such a person asking for money approaches me specifically, but after they walk away, I don’t see them walking to any of the people nearby. Only me. Why? Do I radiate with some aura or energy that is inviting such people to specifically target me?
A few weeks ago there was a supposedly deaf person asking me for money. I was glad to give him some money, but his response was being unsatisfied, and asking for more. lol
I decided I’m not giving money to any stranger anymore, if they are asking me specifically. Only if I see someone and have the freedom and space to think about it, and if I feel inspired to. Even Melody said that giving money to someone from the sense of obligation really isn’t helping them.
Hi Z,
It does sound like it’s something in your vibration.
But I’m not a huge proponent of the second reason you gave. Yes we’re creators, but sometimes someone lending a helping hand can be an act of creation on the beggar’s part. When someone is so low, it is far harder for them to get to the point of being a deliberate creator. I believe in compassion and helping out where possible.
I’m not saying you should give out of a sense of guilt—I agree with that. Just saying that if someone is a bad situation, we can’t just soothe our own conscience by saying they created it. Sometimes we can be that positive manifestation to them. Remember that you cannot help someone unless they are a match to being helped. So it follows, if we are able to help someone, then they manifested our help.
Yeah, I guess I agree that just thinking how they created it isn’t the way to go about it. Even though it is what their higher self wanted them to experience. Just like my higher self wanted me to experience hell for years. Or whatever.
I will try to be compassionate, but I’m definitely not gonna be giving money anymore, if directly approached, and while I’m still not making my own money. It’s my parents’ money, and I want to respect that. I do like helping people when money isn’t involved, and I enjoy it. It’s spontaneous, and pure in nature. But being coerced into giving money just doesn’t cut it for me. It only works if the person is not directly asking me, but I see they need it, and I feel inspired to give money to them.
Today, at different times, 2 people (beggars) specifically approached me, and asked me for money. I said I’m sorry and refused. One thing is that I’m unemployed, and my parents are providing for me barely, and the other thing is that they chose their experience before they came to this life, and they are powerful creators. Anyway what I wanted to say is, that at these occasions, such a person asking for money approaches me specifically, but after they walk away, I don’t see them walking to any of the people nearby. Only me. Why? Do I radiate with some aura or energy that is inviting such people to specifically target me?
A few weeks ago there was a supposedly deaf person asking me for money. I was glad to give him some money, but his response was being unsatisfied, and asking for more. lol
I decided I’m not giving money to any stranger anymore, if they are asking me specifically. Only if I see someone and have the freedom and space to think about it, and if I feel inspired to. Even Melody said that giving money to someone from the sense of obligation really isn’t helping them.
Hi Z,
It does sound like it’s something in your vibration.
But I’m not a huge proponent of the second reason you gave. Yes we’re creators, but sometimes someone lending a helping hand can be an act of creation on the beggar’s part. When someone is so low, it is far harder for them to get to the point of being a deliberate creator. I believe in compassion and helping out where possible.
I’m not saying you should give out of a sense of guilt—I agree with that. Just saying that if someone is a bad situation, we can’t just soothe our own conscience by saying they created it. Sometimes we can be that positive manifestation to them. Remember that you cannot help someone unless they are a match to being helped. So it follows, if we are able to help someone, then they manifested our help.
Yeah, I guess I agree that just thinking how they created it isn’t the way to go about it. Even though it is what their higher self wanted them to experience. Just like my higher self wanted me to experience hell for years. Or whatever.
I will try to be compassionate, but I’m definitely not gonna be giving money anymore, if directly approached, and while I’m still not making my own money. It’s my parents’ money, and I want to respect that. I do like helping people when money isn’t involved, and I enjoy it. It’s spontaneous, and pure in nature. But being coerced into giving money just doesn’t cut it for me. It only works if the person is not directly asking me, but I see they need it, and I feel inspired to give money to them.
Just a suggestion, Z.
Whatever you want, start giving it away for free. You want to pass exams? Offer to tutor a student from an earlier year for free. Make it a subject you did well at last year. Even if it’s just 1 hr a week, it will start the flow and improve your much needed self-respect and esteem. You can’t lose from that point, because everything hangs on your self image. A poor self image will always secretly want to fail, even if consciously that’s denied.
And if you give to a poor person, make it a small enough amount that you can do it freely. If you give with hesitation anda tight fist it won’t help them. If you give from the heart (freely and without expectation of reward) it will come back multiplied.
Hi, CJ, thank you for your advice. However I do not resonate with it. If I want something, I should have it without having to first give something to someone. I remember the 12 Universal Laws, and the “Law of Compensation”. I don’t like the idea that we need to give something in order to receive something. I do give whatever I can when I am inspired to, and I am glad to help. But feeling obligated to do something… just a big no.
Hi Z,
I agree with you. I think this idea can sometimes work, because when you give money without the feeling of obligation or “should” behind it, it frees up your own energy to see it as not such a big deal, since you can give it up. But, it’s not a requirement, and doesn’t work for everyone.
The fact is, there are really no absolute rules, at least not like this. There are universal laws and principles, but the way you apply them is up to you. For some people, they like giving, while others do not. There’s no preference there.
I didn’t say you had to give something in order to receive something. All you have to do is let go of attachments, and giving is one way to achieve that. You could equally throw some money into the ocean. I think it would have the same effect.
Right, but neither of those are required, which is the point. It may work for some, but does not work for everyone. You really have to get the vibration right. If you do it with the wrong intention or inner state, it will actually backfire.
Failure doesn’t hurt when you accept yourself. Someone with high self-respect and esteem won’t feel much pain at failing some exams. It’s just like “oh well, haha”. Change the goal to self respect and esteem and stop looking for externals to fulfill you in a way that they can’t.
One more thing….!
If what you’re doing creates repeated failure, be prepared to make massive change to your process. A good way to think of it is like so: “If my life depended on passing this exam, what would I do?”. Because you can BET that it’s not what you’re doing now. You can BET you’d change things quite significantly.
So put a BIG BET on your life depending on the outcome, and notice how your approach changes COMPLETELY. You may come up with quite an unexpected answer, like “well, I’d change the way I review my notes” or “I’d change my memory/learning process to become faster and easier to access”. Practical stuff.
CJ,
I disagree with your approach. That seems fear-based, which may work in the short term, but not very feasible in the long term.
Yeh but you get what you want. If you live in fear then you have to use fear-based processes.
If you’re homeless and without food, you’re not going to use LoA to attempt to manifest some food, you’re going to steal it from a supermarket. You become expedient and you do what is most likely to lead to immediate success, because your life depends on it. You get what you need, and you live another day. Trying to manifest from a place of fear will cause serious problems.
So when Z comes on and is suicidal, I say “just make it happen” and do whatever is most expedient. Ask someone who is smart to share some tips on what to study (that’s what I’d do). Forget about all these high ideals of manifesting because you’re not in the right place for that.
CJ, I completely disagree with this. Fear-based processes will only lead to more fear. People might be able to use stopgap solutions that seem to work, but in the long run it will only create more of the same that they are holding within. I’ve seen it happen over and over again, and it just never pays off in the end.
It’s a stop gap measure for someone who is clearly desperate. It allows breathing space.
Some solutions might, but again a fear-based approach is going to result in more fear. I always discourage such approaches. I’ve been in pretty low situations, and panicking and doing something out of fear has never resulted in anything good.
Just a suggestion, Z.
Whatever you want, start giving it away for free. You want to pass exams? Offer to tutor a student from an earlier year for free. Make it a subject you did well at last year. Even if it’s just 1 hr a week, it will start the flow and improve your much needed self-respect and esteem. You can’t lose from that point, because everything hangs on your self image. A poor self image will always secretly want to fail, even if consciously that’s denied.
And if you give to a poor person, make it a small enough amount that you can do it freely. If you give with hesitation anda tight fist it won’t help them. If you give from the heart (freely and without expectation of reward) it will come back multiplied.
Hi, CJ, thank you for your advice. However I do not resonate with it. If I want something, I should have it without having to first give something to someone. I remember the 12 Universal Laws, and the “Law of Compensation”. I don’t like the idea that we need to give something in order to receive something. I do give whatever I can when I am inspired to, and I am glad to help. But feeling obligated to do something… just a big no.
Hi Z,
I agree with you. I think this idea can sometimes work, because when you give money without the feeling of obligation or “should” behind it, it frees up your own energy to see it as not such a big deal, since you can give it up. But, it’s not a requirement, and doesn’t work for everyone.
The fact is, there are really no absolute rules, at least not like this. There are universal laws and principles, but the way you apply them is up to you. For some people, they like giving, while others do not. There’s no preference there.
I didn’t say you had to give something in order to receive something. All you have to do is let go of attachments, and giving is one way to achieve that. You could equally throw some money into the ocean. I think it would have the same effect.
Right, but neither of those are required, which is the point. It may work for some, but does not work for everyone. You really have to get the vibration right. If you do it with the wrong intention or inner state, it will actually backfire.
Failure doesn’t hurt when you accept yourself. Someone with high self-respect and esteem won’t feel much pain at failing some exams. It’s just like “oh well, haha”. Change the goal to self respect and esteem and stop looking for externals to fulfill you in a way that they can’t.
One more thing….!
If what you’re doing creates repeated failure, be prepared to make massive change to your process. A good way to think of it is like so: “If my life depended on passing this exam, what would I do?”. Because you can BET that it’s not what you’re doing now. You can BET you’d change things quite significantly.
So put a BIG BET on your life depending on the outcome, and notice how your approach changes COMPLETELY. You may come up with quite an unexpected answer, like “well, I’d change the way I review my notes” or “I’d change my memory/learning process to become faster and easier to access”. Practical stuff.
CJ,
I disagree with your approach. That seems fear-based, which may work in the short term, but not very feasible in the long term.
Yeh but you get what you want. If you live in fear then you have to use fear-based processes.
If you’re homeless and without food, you’re not going to use LoA to attempt to manifest some food, you’re going to steal it from a supermarket. You become expedient and you do what is most likely to lead to immediate success, because your life depends on it. You get what you need, and you live another day. Trying to manifest from a place of fear will cause serious problems.
So when Z comes on and is suicidal, I say “just make it happen” and do whatever is most expedient. Ask someone who is smart to share some tips on what to study (that’s what I’d do). Forget about all these high ideals of manifesting because you’re not in the right place for that.
CJ, I completely disagree with this. Fear-based processes will only lead to more fear. People might be able to use stopgap solutions that seem to work, but in the long run it will only create more of the same that they are holding within. I’ve seen it happen over and over again, and it just never pays off in the end.
It’s a stop gap measure for someone who is clearly desperate. It allows breathing space.
Some solutions might, but again a fear-based approach is going to result in more fear. I always discourage such approaches. I’ve been in pretty low situations, and panicking and doing something out of fear has never resulted in anything good.
“panicking and doing something out of fear has never resulted in anything good”.
It might result in survival though. That’s better than hurting yourself because you can’t manage to pass some stupid exams. It would be many times better to cheat on exams than to kill yourself because you haven’t mastered some LoA skills.
If a kid is in anaphylactic shock, you give it adrenaline immediately, you don’t say “well that won’t cure the underlying emotional cause” and let it die because of high ideals. Expediency. Living to fight another day. Appropriateness.
CJ,
You are drawing a false dichotomy. There are many, many options that are not fear-based, which are open to the individual.
We will have to agree to disagree, as I’m not interested in debating this point. This really has little to do with the original post.
“There are many, many options that are not fear-based, which are open to the individual”
That’s what I said at the start!! He could ask for help from a top student, he could improve his review skills, he could ask the lecturer about good areas to study… anything practical! But I get the feeling Z was spending so much time zeroing and feeling good etc that he didn’t do the work on the basics. Because let’s face it, with a moderate amount of work, anyone can pass an exam.
Hi CJ,
I’m going to end the discussion here, because again it is off-topic for this particular post, and also it is unfair to Z to analyze and dissect his situation in the third person.
I will close with this remark: while from the outside, certain practical actions may appear easy, they are not necessarily so. You say it is not hard to pass an exam, but when depression is present, it in fact is extraordinarily difficult to do the work necessary to pass. i was in Z’s situation once, and ended up dropping out of college because of my own depression. I will tell you that it feels like hitting your head against a brick wall. You know what you should do, and that knowledge guilts you even more, which adds to the depression. It’s a vicious cycle, which is very difficult to escape.
And that’s mostly why I’m ending the discussion: I know that when I was in that situation, if someone had told me to just “get over it” and just do what I needed to do to pass, I’d be pretty angry, because they are ignoring the entire root of the situation.
Perhaps you have never experienced depression yourself, and so you don’t understand. Or perhaps you have found certain methods useful for you. However, it takes incredible care to work through this type of situation without making them feel worse about themselves.
So I’ll politely ask you to end it here. Thank you.
What hasn’t been considered in all of this is the fact that there were probably another 20% of students who also failed, but they shrugged their shoulders, caught up with friends and went to the pub and forgot about it.
“panicking and doing something out of fear has never resulted in anything good”.
It might result in survival though. That’s better than hurting yourself because you can’t manage to pass some stupid exams. It would be many times better to cheat on exams than to kill yourself because you haven’t mastered some LoA skills.
If a kid is in anaphylactic shock, you give it adrenaline immediately, you don’t say “well that won’t cure the underlying emotional cause” and let it die because of high ideals. Expediency. Living to fight another day. Appropriateness.
CJ,
You are drawing a false dichotomy. There are many, many options that are not fear-based, which are open to the individual.
We will have to agree to disagree, as I’m not interested in debating this point. This really has little to do with the original post.
“There are many, many options that are not fear-based, which are open to the individual”
That’s what I said at the start!! He could ask for help from a top student, he could improve his review skills, he could ask the lecturer about good areas to study… anything practical! But I get the feeling Z was spending so much time zeroing and feeling good etc that he didn’t do the work on the basics. Because let’s face it, with a moderate amount of work, anyone can pass an exam.
Hi CJ,
I’m going to end the discussion here, because again it is off-topic for this particular post, and also it is unfair to Z to analyze and dissect his situation in the third person.
I will close with this remark: while from the outside, certain practical actions may appear easy, they are not necessarily so. You say it is not hard to pass an exam, but when depression is present, it in fact is extraordinarily difficult to do the work necessary to pass. i was in Z’s situation once, and ended up dropping out of college because of my own depression. I will tell you that it feels like hitting your head against a brick wall. You know what you should do, and that knowledge guilts you even more, which adds to the depression. It’s a vicious cycle, which is very difficult to escape.
And that’s mostly why I’m ending the discussion: I know that when I was in that situation, if someone had told me to just “get over it” and just do what I needed to do to pass, I’d be pretty angry, because they are ignoring the entire root of the situation.
Perhaps you have never experienced depression yourself, and so you don’t understand. Or perhaps you have found certain methods useful for you. However, it takes incredible care to work through this type of situation without making them feel worse about themselves.
So I’ll politely ask you to end it here. Thank you.
What hasn’t been considered in all of this is the fact that there were probably another 20% of students who also failed, but they shrugged their shoulders, caught up with friends and went to the pub and forgot about it.
That 2007 until 2010 was a tough time for me. I guess saturn did its thing, or soemthing.
However, that’s about the time I learned of manifestation, spirituality, and even about the Saturn return.
That’s interesting, Justin. I’m 28 (soon 29), and during the last 2 years many things happened for me, too, including learning about spirituality, chakras, mindfulness, and LOA, like you. Who would have taught that Saturn was that powerful.
Also, I was gonna ask, if you don’t mind. Have you been visually impaired from birth, or from a later point in life, and do you have an intention to regain your vision? I’m just curious to hear your view on that.
That 2007 until 2010 was a tough time for me. I guess saturn did its thing, or soemthing.
However, that’s about the time I learned of manifestation, spirituality, and even about the Saturn return.
That’s interesting, Justin. I’m 28 (soon 29), and during the last 2 years many things happened for me, too, including learning about spirituality, chakras, mindfulness, and LOA, like you. Who would have taught that Saturn was that powerful.
Also, I was gonna ask, if you don’t mind. Have you been visually impaired from birth, or from a later point in life, and do you have an intention to regain your vision? I’m just curious to hear your view on that.
Hi! I have signed up twice and haven’t got any email 🙁 I’m pretty sure that I’m going through Saturn’s return and I’m trying to understand it more. Times are hard, you know.
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Hi! I have signed up twice and haven’t got any email 🙁 I’m pretty sure that I’m going through Saturn’s return and I’m trying to understand it more. Times are hard, you know.
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Hi Brandon, loved this post!! I also have Saturn at 26 degrees Sagittarius, so the timelines for our Saturn returns are identical! The biggest theme I’ve noticed coming up for me is self-esteem and self-confidence issues, but I can’t be sure that’s totally related to the SR. I really wanted to use your calculator that you mention in this post so that I could see what houses my SR happened in and what that means, however I can’t find the calculator tool anywhere. Do you still have that available? My natal Saturn is retrograde in the third house… I wonder if having natal Saturn retrograde also has any significant meaning at your Saturn return?
Thanks again,
Jessica Eve
Hi Brandon, loved this post!! I also have Saturn at 26 degrees Sagittarius, so the timelines for our Saturn returns are identical! The biggest theme I’ve noticed coming up for me is self-esteem and self-confidence issues, but I can’t be sure that’s totally related to the SR. I really wanted to use your calculator that you mention in this post so that I could see what houses my SR happened in and what that means, however I can’t find the calculator tool anywhere. Do you still have that available? My natal Saturn is retrograde in the third house… I wonder if having natal Saturn retrograde also has any significant meaning at your Saturn return?
Thanks again,
Jessica Eve