Death is a difficult topic for many people. The question for many is, what happens in the afterlife? What are ghosts? What happens after you cross over? Does reincarnation exist?
In today’s episode of The Unseen World, Brandon, Christine, and Justin will take you on a journey from the moment someone dies, to choosing to return to earth, and beyond.
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Discussed in today’s podcast (click the link to jump to that section of the transcript):
- The first stage after death
- What are ghosts?
- The second stage after death
- The life review
- Rest period in the afterlife
- No one is forced to reincarnate
- Other activities on the other side
- Creation is never finished
Brandon: Welcome to The Unseen World. This is episode 2: “What happens in the afterlife?” I am Brandon Olivares.
Christine: And I’m Christine Olivares.
Justin: I’m Justin Williams.
Brandon: We want to welcome you to our second episode of The Unseen World. We’re excited to do another episode here. We upgraded our system a little bit, so we have Justin nice and clear on the microphone.
Brandon: So that’s good. Today, we’re talking about, obviously, what happens in the afterlife. That’s our topic. Anywhere from the moment you die to when you become reincarnated—not to spoil anything—but reincarnation and all that kind of stuff, everything in between, what happens in the afterlife and how does it all work. That is our topic for today. First of all, a few announcement. The show notes, if you’d like to read the transcript, or leave a comment on this podcast, you can go to darkascent.org/unseen002. That will take you to the show notes.
A great announcement—I don’t know if I told you this, Justin—but we are now on iTunes for The Unseen World podcast. That is awesome!
Justin: I didn’t know that.
Brandon: Yeah. [laughs]
Christine: I knew, of course.
Brandon: Yes. To get to iTunes, if you’d like to subscribe or rate or review us, that’d be amazing. Go to darkascent.org/unseenitunes. That will take you over to our iTunes directory.
The First Stage After Death
Brandon: So, to get started on today’s topic: first of all, I want to talk about the afterlife. I think this is a topic that’s not really discussed at length. I know there’s a lot of near-death experiences and stuff like that, but there’s not a whole lot in detail about exactly what happens in the afterlife from the time you die all the way through, especially once you move on completely and disconnect totally from your body, what really goes on. That’s what I want to focus on.
Starting right after someone dies—it really depends on the circumstances around their death, how exactly it happened, and everything like that. For most people, death is (I’m not going to say “painless” on the physical end, but as far as the transition is concerned) pretty quick. It’s pretty easy. There’s not much involved in it. Not much is going on because the person is either expecting it (a lot of times people get a little advance warning). Did you ever notice that, Justin?
Brandon: People seem to have a sense about when they’re going to die.
Justin: Yeah, oh, yeah. You start connecting to the other side easier. The veil gets thinner for you.
Brandon: Right. For my grandmother, she died in 2011. I don’t know if she knew or not. She wasn’t lucid enough to really tell us, but I know a few days before she died, she started seeing her daughter who died some years ago and random people who had died. She started seeing that. That happens quite frequently because you start transitioning. Your soul starts—I’m not going to say “exiting the body”—but it starts detaching from the body, if that makes sense.
Christine: I had a friend who was 100 when she died. She never had any hallucinations or anything. She wasn’t the type of person to do that, right up until the day….Was it the morning? I’m trying to think if it was the morning that she died. I think it was right before she died. She said to her niece, “Is a certain dog going to be okay?” I thought the dog’s name was Coco, but I don’t remember. “Is a certain dog going to be okay? I’m worried about him.” She didn’t even think about it, her niece. She just said, “Oh, don’t worry. He’ll be fine.” She didn’t realize what had happened—that it was a red flag. At this point, this friend of mine was transitioning, but nobody knew it. Right afterward she died. A little afterwards.
Brandon: That happens a lot. I always hear about examples of relatives or people who, a few days before they die, start having (I’m not going to say “hallucinations”) visions of people that they knew that were close to them that died, as though they’re waiting for them. That’s always a very common sign of someone’s passing.
So, for most people, death is a very painless transition. Especially when it happens when you’re old, you know it’s coming and you sort of step out of your body. Your guides are there. You go into the light. It’s all easy.
Christine: Some people also know around when they’re going to die. I’ve heard of people who know right when they’re about to die. They could be healthy, and they just have that feeling, that intuition.
Christine: My mom’s ex-boyfriend—I think it was his dad or his grandfather—was 104 when he died. He just was like, “It’s time for me to die.” Literally. He said, “You don’t need me anymore.” Three days later, he died. That was the end of it. He just knew it was time. Just fascinating!
Brandon: Right. For most people, it’s pretty simple. They step out. They go into the light. It’s all good. They detach. They move on. They’re moved on. They don’t need this life anymore, and they know the loved ones will be okay. For other people, for whom it’s sudden, it can be a bit more confusing process. I’ve heard of people who didn’t realize they were dead for sometimes days.
Justin: Yes. A lot longer than that.
Brandon: Sometimes, probably even longer.
Christine: What was that movie we watched?
Brandon: What was that movie? It was about the mother and limbo.
Brandon: And she thought her kids were—everything they did, they were going to go to limbo or whatever. Then it turns out they all were already dead.
Christine: Everyone was dead.
Brandon: [laughs] Yeah.
Christine: Her kids had this disease that they couldn’t see light or something.
Brandon: They couldn’t be in the light.
Christine: Yes. What was that movie called? I don’t remember.
Justin: A lot of ghosts and things hanging around, just kind of hanging around and not really knowing that they’re dead for quite some time, months. Just thinking that they’re still alive, but they’re not. Most of them don’t do that. Most transition over.
Brandon: Yes. If it’s sudden, that can definitely happen. When it’s very sudden, it’s very confusing. They might not even realize it. It might take their guides poking and prodding. Sometimes there are human beings who will help to cross people over. That definitely happens, especially with a murder victim that’s very sudden. Or anything like that.
Justin: Yes, and an accident. A car accident victim.
Brandon: An accident, yes, anything like that. That’s definitely possible. It doesn’t mean they’re not earthbound. We’re going to talk about ghosts in a second. They’re confused and they’re temporarily here. You’d call it the etheric plane, right near the physical. They’re not bound here, it’s just that they don’t realize. Once they do realize, then they’ll go, “Oh, okay,” and they’ll cross over and it’s fine. They just get confused.
What Are Ghosts?
Brandon: There’s a third category of souls who are so tied to their previous life that they just do not want to move on. They will become what we would refer to as ghosts. They would be earthbound. It could be murder victims if they really want to see justice come to their murderer. Any kind of trauma like that or any kind of crime—a victim of any kind of crime. It could also be someone who committed suicide and is just too upset to move on. They might punish themselves even in the afterlife. That is their choice. No one is there forcing them to punish themselves. No one’s doing that. It doesn’t happen that way. But some souls might just not be ready to move on. Or if someone dies young—let’s say they’re married and they really do not want to leave their spouse—they’re so torn over it that they just can’t cross over. Things like that. You think of those common areas where hauntings happen: where a murder happened, where a war happened, things like that.
Brandon: Yes, plantations, absolutely. Slavery. Anything like that. That is very common, unfortunately. In my view (and we talked about this in the psychic class) they won’t hang around forever. I don’t think most ghosts hang around for hundreds of years. If you think of it, the ties that are holding them here within a few decades are going to be moved on themselves.
Christine: They’d have to have a lot of bitterness.
Justin: Yes, they would.
Brandon: Yes. Most often, when you go back to those old (like you said) plantations or battlegrounds or things like that that are haunted, usually that’s not a ghost as much as it is an energetic imprint in the etheric plane of that traumatic event. It’s almost a form of the Akashic records, but just a very much lower level form.
Christine: So why do cleansings not work when people do them?
Justin: It’s a lot of energy. It’s heavy. It’s a lot to cleanse. It’s not just like cleansing negative energy out of your house or a spirit out of your house. A lot of stuff happened. It’s like a fog. It’s just hard to get rid of it.
Brandon: It’s very major stuff. It’s not so easy to cleanse that, and it could take a lot of time. A lot of that is—you could call it “energetic imprint”—almost like a recording of a traumatic event that plays over again and again and again. That’s where you’ll have the same things that repeat themselves. Every night, this event happens. Every night, this thing happens that people attribute to haunting. That’s usually an etheric imprint. It’s not so much that there’s a ghost there. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but it’s more that there’s an imprint of some kind of traumatic situation. That could be when people refer to a haunting, especially a haunting that’s been around for centuries, or even many, many decades. That could be an energetic imprint and not necessarily a haunting. I think that’s a useful differentiation because that can get confusing.
I outlined three different things that can happen once someone dies. First of all, you could easily move on into the light. You could remain here for a short time because you’re confused and you don’t really realize you’re dead. Or, you could be so upset about your passing and have so many unresolved issues that you just hang around here for a while. Even then, you can’t keep it up forever. You can’t keep it up forever. It’s impossible. Those are the things that happen. Now, once you choose to go over into the light, and I would say the overwhelming majority of souls do that….Wouldn’t you say, Justin?
Justin: Yeah. Most do. There’s plenty that don’t, but most do at some point. There’s spirits that inhabit graveyards. There’s all kinds of stuff, but most are going to travel over. There’s no reason for them to stay here.
The Second Stage After Death
Brandon: Exactly. Once that happens, then you have what I call the second stage of your passing. You cross over into the light. This is usually what people refer to in near-death experiences when they go through the tunnel of light and all that kind of stuff. You cross over into the light, and you’re met by family members who have passed already. You’re met by your spirit guides, angels, whatever is in your belief system, really.
First of all, the question is—I think this is a really interesting one that deserves contemplation—does the afterlife alter itself based on your belief system? I’ve heard of people who say yes. My view is that as you are crossing over and you still have a good bit of memory of your previous life (of your just-passed-life), for a time it may meet your expectations of what you believed you were going to get in the afterlife. If you thought heaven and singing angels and clouds and whatnot, you might get that for a time. Over time, though, your soul detaches from your previous incarnation. Depending on how entrenched you were in that incarnation and how entrenched you were in those beliefs, you regain your memories of who you really are. You really merge back with your higher self. At first, parts of the afterlife may do that. There are a lot of near-death experiences where people experience very specific afterlives depending on their religious beliefs. Christians tend to experience…
Christine: Heaven and hell.
Brandon: Heaven and hell. Hindus actually tend to experience something completely different. If you do near-death experience research, Hindus who have near-death experiences experience a totally different thing. It’s more like someone comes to them who says it’s their time. They go, and there’s almost this clerk who says there’s a misplacement of paperwork or it’s misfiled. You actually don’t belong here. You need to go back. From what it sounds like, it’s a very underwhelming thing. [laughs] Do you remember, Christine? I told you about it.
Christine: Yes. “You made a mistake, or I made a mistake. Bye!”
Brandon: Basically, yeah. There’s no tunnel of light. There’s nothing like that.
Justin: Social work guys messed up. [laughs]
Brandon: [laughs] They messed up. We meant someone else. A lot of times, I’ve heard, the next day there’ll be in the paper the exact same name, but it meant someone else, as though they got the wrong person. They sent you back and got the other person with the same name. If there was another Justin Williams in, say, Washington or something, and he died, but they somehow got you instead. “Oh, you’re Justin Williams? Oh, that’s not the one we wanted. You can go back.”
Justin: Not that guy.
Brandon: And in the paper the next day, you’ll see “Justin Williams of Washington has just died.” I’ve heard of experiences like that.
Christine: That’s creepy.
Brandon: I know.
Justin: That’s creepy. That’s pretty bad. [laughs] It’s all over there in the afterlife. All the religions are over there, and they get along. Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Christians are all together doing whatever it is you do, because religion is only a way to identify with the divine.
Justin: It’s all over there. They’re over there together. You come back out, you decide what religion you’re going to follow. It’s whatever is easiest to transition you over, is what’s used.
Brandon: Right. And then, after a while like I said, you do regain the memories of who you really are. Then you see things for what they are.
Justin: You definitely do.
Brandon: You don’t stay in that Christian heaven or that Hindu—whatever’s their heaven. You don’t stay in that forever. You might get that if you’re expecting it at first, but then eventually you’ll be like, “Well, this is what’s really is going on, so here’s what’s up.”
Justin: If you’re over there and you really want that heaven from a previous lifetime or three lifetimes before, you can always go over there and find it. You can always have it. But it’s not anything that you’ve got to have. You start going, “Oh, okay.”
The Life Review
Brandon: Once you are fully aware of what is entailed in all of this, then you can choose where you want to go to some extent. That’s where we’ll go next. First of all, life review. There are almost universal reports of a life review happening after you die. So that’s one big thing that happens. I think this is where we get the idea of judgment. It’s not anything like that. That’s sort of the egoic filter of “Oh, it’s this big scary thing. I could be sent to hell,” or something. The life review is really just bringing awareness to your life and learning all the lessons you can from it from a higher perspective.
Now, whether it’s an organized thing where you sit down with someone and remember everything and see every perspective, or whether it’s just gradually you gain your memories and you gain the higher perspective and so you just naturally go back and remember everything from a different perspective—who really knows? I think a bit of both, probably. There’s definitely a bit of a life review and you do remember things. It’s not just what you did or what you said. It’s everything else at the same time: what the other person was thinking, what the other person was feeling…
Justin: How it affected them.
Brandon: What other people were witnessing, how it affected them, all of that is included in the life review. There’s no judgment. You might feel guilty. You very well might.
Justin: You’re kind of the judge.
Brandon: You’re the judge. You’re the only judge.
Justin: It’s you. Remember, you’ve got your full awareness of your higher self, so whatever you got, you’ve got absolute full knowledge of what happened and why.
Brandon: Exactly. You’re not going to be judged. No one’s going to say, “Well, you have to spend 2 years in purgatory” or something or being punished. No one’s going to do that. There is only light. There is only love on the other side, if you allow yourself to receive it. Now, there are souls who have entrapped themselves in a negative…
Justin: The left door.
Brandon: In a negative sort of hell-like dimension, because they are so guilt-ridden, so judging of themselves. They just can’t grasp any other option. That does happen, but no one sent them there. No one sends them there. They can leave whenever they choose. Not only can they leave whenever they choose, but there are spirit guides and whoever else in charge of them who are constantly trying to get through and say, “Hey, look, look, look! There’s no judgment. You’re fine. You can come back. You can stay in the light. There’s no reason to stay here.” Their guides are constantly trying to come after them and get them to stop punishing themselves. There’s no reason whatsoever.
There’s no karmic retribution on the other side whatsoever, from any account that I’ve ever heard, from any medium or any psychic or any of my own experiences. It just doesn’t exist. You have to realize religion is filtered through ego. Even in some of the Eastern religions, they’ll say you’re punished for a time and you spend some time in hell for your sins and for your karmic attachments or your bad karma. I don’t believe any of that is true. I don’t believe that for a second, that any of that is true.
Brandon: That’s just my opinion.
Christine: If anything, you could put yourself there, like he said.
Brandon: But why would you want to?
Christine: Well, yes.
Justin: Since you have such awareness and knowledge, what happens a lot of times is you can decide you think you deserve that. That’s what you mean when you say you end up. But you really aren’t supposed to do that. That’s why you get extra chances. “I messed up. When I was 21, I did this. When I was 15, I did that. When I was 38, I did that.” That’s why you get other chances to come back and get it right. You don’t have to pay for it and pay for it and pay for it over again.
Brandon: Once you come back, it’s not even still a judgment thing. It’s, “Okay, this lesson came up, and I didn’t quite handle it in the way I wanted to. Let’s try this again.” I always compare life to a video game. In a video game, if you have that one really difficult level, it’s not that you’re punishing yourself by going back to it. It’s that you say, “I really want to pass that level, so I’m going to do what it takes to pass that level.” You come back into a similar lesson so you can try to do what you should have done.
“Should have” is your own judgment of how it should go. It’s no one else’s. There’s no God that’s going to say, “You have to go and do it this way.” It’s going to be your higher self. “I would have preferred if it went in this way.” It’s not a judgment thing. It’s just that’s how I preferred it to go. That’s for my own highest growth, so that’s what I’m going to try to do. That’s how it works.
Justin: It’s a highest growth thing.
Justin: Remember, with full knowledge, you know absolutely how much of it you did and absolutely how much of it you want to do. That’s why you judge yourself so (I like to say) exactly. You’re exact in your judgment. Sometimes you can be very harsh, and sometimes not.
Brandon: Right. Those are the first stages. We have the stage where you first leave your body, and that can go in a few different directions, like I said. Then you have your first stage in the light where you are still getting acclimated to this new world, basically. You might experience a bit of the afterlife that you expected. You might not, necessarily, depending on how attached you were to that.
Christine: And how open you are.
Brandon: And how open you are. You’re going to have a life review that shows you exactly what you did, why you did it, without any of the blinders on, which is really frightening.
Justin: I like the way you said it: blinders. Right now we’ve got blinders on.
Brandon: We lie to ourselves all the time.
Justin: You cannot do that over there. That’s what’s so frightening. That’s why it’s so hard for people to hear the truth right now. Just imagine over there. That’s all you need.
Brandon: Oh, God. That’s the next stage.
Rest Period in the Afterlife
Brandon: After that, in my view, you have a period of rest. The length of that period of rest depends on the soul. It depends on what your goals are. It depends on how attached to life in the physical world you are. It depends on a lot of things. Essentially, you’re going to have a period of rest and recuperation. I’ve heard of even having further education on the other side.
Justin: You do.
Brandon: I just read an article today where someone said she communicated with a soul that said, “Oh, yeah, I attend lectures over here, and we talk about philosophy and all sorts of different things.” He’s learning, even over there.
Brandon: So that definitely happens. The period of that stage depends on the individual’s soul. It could go on for months. It could be years. I think it’s usually quite a while. Sometimes it’s not that long, but it’s usually quite a while, I think.
Justin: Yeah, it depends. I know I’ve had several lifetimes. You learn. You lecture. What you do is refine your skills over there. You come over here to actually grow. You go over there to refine.
Brandon: Right. Gain knowledge, refine. Here is where you really put it to the test and see what happens.
Christine: It’s like there is a big classroom, and then here you go do it.
Brandon: This is the practicum. [laughs]
Brandon: This is the practicum. There is a period of rest, for sure. There’s just time where you need to regroup. You went through a whole lifetime. Especially if there was a lot of suffering, you just need to detach for a while and regroup. Regroup all of your energy. But the time will come when you reincarnate.
No One is Forced to Reincarnate
Brandon: Now, I believe this is generally a want. No one is forced into it. There is this weird conspiracy idea out there that people are forced into reincarnation. People are not forced into reincarnation. None of this is forced. None of it. None of it. You want to, either because you want to have new experiences or because you want to try these lessons over again or whatever the reason might be. You absolutely feel the pull to come back. I don’t like how certain Eastern religions will talk about it, in this way of “You’re bound to come back over and over until you stop all desires.” It’s not a bad thing.
Christine: Or, that you were a really bad person, so you come back as a dog.
Christine: I don’t know if I believe that.
Justin: No, that doesn’t happen. The other thing is if you can come back, the idea is to grow. That’s what you’re trying to do: grow your spirit so you can reach greater levels. Or sometimes your spirit, your self, is supposed to help a certain world reach a certain point. That’s kind of your major assignment. The other way you can grow (I’ve heard of this) is to become a spirit guide. You can grow by doing that without having to come back.
Brandon: Yes, that’s where I’m going to go next, right after we talk about reincarnation. Yes, that definitely happens. Definitely you come back and you re-experience what you need to re-experience. You have new lessons. You have new experiences, new knowledge, and new growth. It’s a great thing. It’s only at our low-down level that we don’t think it’s a great thing. But over there, after you’ve gotten some time to regroup, it’s like, “Oh, yeah, I want to go back!” When you were in school, by the end of the year, “Ugh, I want to get out of here.” You go home for the summer. By the end of the summer, what are you feeling?
Brandon: Restless? Yes.
Christine: Maybe you didn’t.
Brandon: Oh, yeah, I did. Do you get that, Justin?
Justin: When I was a kid? What was I feeling? I wanted to go back and see my friends in school again.
Brandon: By the end of the summer, it’s like “Ah, I can’t wait to get back to school!” That’s how it is. You’re here for a certain amount of time. By the end, you’re like, “I’m done. I want to go home and just hang out and rest for a while.” After a while, it’s like, “I’m ready to go back. I want new experiences.”
Justin and Christine: Yes.
Brandon: That’s how it is, I think, in life. By the time you are at the end of it, you’re saying, “I want to get out of here. I want to go home. I want to regroup.” After a while, after some months, after some years, you say, “You know? Life actually is kind of fun. I get all these different experiences. I get to try all these things again.” We have this desire to go back even though….When you go back to school, by the third day, you’re like, “Why did I want to come back?”
Justin and Christine: Yes.
Brandon: [laughs] But from the higher perspective, it’s like, “Yeah! That sounds fun. I want to go back. I want to have this other experience. Let’s try this.” In the video game, let’s play this other character. Why not? That sounds fun. That’s what it’s like, so we do. Eventually (that comes into another point) you graduate. When I got out of high school, I didn’t miss it anymore. I was done.
Justin: Yes, high school, college, even.
Brandon: Other people might not know this, but I did not graduate college. I just sort of stopped, I guess dropped out. Once I was done, oh God, was I done. [laughs] I was so done with college.
Justin: You’ll be back in college soon.
Brandon: No, I won’t. Not in real life. [laughs]
Justin: For me, even when I got my masters degrees, I was done. It was fun, but…
Brandon: When you’re done, you’re done.
Justin: When you’re about to process out, you look at it. I’m done.
Other Activities on the Other Side
Brandon: There comes a time when you just say, “You know what? I’ve gotten out everything I can get from the physical world.” Or “You know? I’m going to take a respite for a very long time, and maybe play spirit guide for a while. Maybe be someone else’s guide or do something else.” There are other jobs besides spirit guide. There are other jobs out there, too.
Justin: There are researchers. I don’t know what else. I’ll have to look that up.
Brandon: If there are souls that are taking lectures, then there have to be teachers.
Justin: Yes, so teachers. You could do that.
Brandon: Teaching those lectures. There’s all sorts of stuff you can do. There are other jobs. You might say you want to do something else. If you’re really far enough, there’s being an ascended master. What do you think Jesus does all day, or the Buddha, or any of those? They have to do something. [laughs]
Justin: That’s right.
Christine: What do they do all day?
Brandon: Well, they guide us on a mass level. Not necessarily one at a time, but on a mass level, they are guiding us. That’s what they do. They group together and they use their energy to influence us to the positive. Or inspiration. We were talking about inspiration in the psychic class. They come together and say, “Well, let’s inspire them for this.” We were talking about how a lot of ideas in history happened to multiple people at once, and it was just one person who successfully completed it, like the airplane. Multiple people were trying at it. Things like that, calculus, I mentioned. These different things we are inspired to do—I think that came from somewhere.
Brandon: Obviously it was a co-creation. Obviously we had to work at it, but it came from somewhere. It might have been an ascended master. It might have been a bored spirit who was like, “You know, it’s about time they got airplanes.” [laughs] It might have been, “When I go back, I really want airplanes.”
Justin: I know. “You about to go down there, Chuck?” “Yeah. They need to have some airplanes when I get down there. I’m tired of riding a horse.”
Christine: Then they’re a pilot.
Justin: “Hey, Jesus, can you hook that up?” “Yeah, I got you.” [laughs]
Christine: Oh, my God. [laughs]
Brandon: That definitely happens. They’re probably sitting over there going, “Come on, you just need to put this part into place! Come on!” [laughs]
Justin: “You just need to get that part into place. Why is that so hard?”
Brandon: “Why is it so hard for you?”
Justin: Then Buddha is like, “Man, it’s been five days on that one part.” [laughs]
Brandon: “You know what? It’s time to give them a dream. We’re tired of this over here. Let’s give them a dream.”
Justin: “Send them a dream.” [claps]
Creation is Never Finished
Brandon: That’s going to have me laughing for days now. That definitely happens. They’re inspiring us to these different things. There are tons of jobs. Your work is never done. Even, let’s say, when you graduate high school, you might go to college. When you graduate college, you might go for a masters, or you might get a job, and even that is educational. You’re never done in the spiritual sense. You’re always going to the next level, going to the next level, going to the next level. There’s always another level to get up to.
There’s the spirit guides, the teachers, and the ascended masters, and who knows what’s above that. I don’t think you’re ever done. That’s just my opinion. I don’t think you’re ever done. Whether there’s an entire new world other than this where we have even better experiences and very different experiences to this….Yes, there might be some spirits that are just for us, but there might be some that are for other things, too, for other worlds, for other entirely different worlds. That’s very possible. We just don’t know these things. This is way too far above our comprehension, but the point is, I don’t think you’re ever done.
Brandon: I just can’t comprehend. I know for me, if I were ever done, I’d get bored. What is it that drives us? It’s having something to work towards. It’s having a goal. It’s having that next big thing that you’re moving towards, whether that’s in the physical or in the spiritual. If you didn’t have that and you were just done….I mean, the purpose of the universe is for movement.
Justin: It’s not stagnation.
Brandon: No. The reason that things were created or emanated is for growth. Do you think the One or whatever you want to call it just wanted to sit there in stasis forever, just a static blob? No. Do you think it will ever again? I don’t think so. I think creation is an infinite, infinitely moving, infinitely growing tapestry. It always…
Christine: It never started and it never will stop.
Brandon: Right. In a sense, it started, but then you speak of time, so in a sense, as long as time existed it’s been going on.
Christine: What is time?
Brandon: Metaphysically speaking, it started somewhere. But as long as you’re speaking of something, you’re speaking of time, so in the sense of that it never will stop, and it never really started. I think we’re always, always, always growing. That’s my view of it. Just in summary, like I said, we started at the very low-down and went to the very, very, very high.
Justin: Yeah, we did.
Brandon: It’s good, though. Essentially, you die. You might hang out for a bit if you’re confused or if you’re a ghost or something. Hopefully not. Hopefully, you enter the light right away. You enter the light. You get met by your spirit guides and by your loved ones and have that life review. Then you’re just going to hang out for a while, rest, recuperate, and eventually you’ll be drawn back. Eventually you’ll be drawn back to the physical. But after a very, very, very long time, you might say, “You know what? I’m done with high school.” [laughs] I see the physical world as high school in a sense. “I’m done with high school. I think I’m going to move on to the next level. I’m going to become a spirit guide.” You said this before, Justin: you could switch back and forth. You could be a spirit guide for a little while. I think it’s rare, but you could.
Justin: It depends on your actual spiritual mission. There’s travelers. There’s mystic travelers and stuff like that. I’ve got to look back on it. They come from different galaxies to assist different worlds in their jobs.
Brandon: So you could be a spirit guide for a while and then go back and be a human again. But largely speaking, you’re going to evolve from one to the next to the next to the next. After you graduate from here, you go to the next level. You might help out in the human world, or from the other side but helping out the human world (the physical world). Eventually you move on. Who knows? Who knows what you go to? We don’t know enough about those next levels. One thing is certain to me: it’s always growing. We’re always going somewhere new. You’re always going to that next level. Creation would not exist if that were not that case. That’s the basis of creation. That was a wonderful topic, I think, and a wonderful discussion we had.
Christine: Yes, it was.
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Christine: And I’m Christine Olivares.
Justin: I’m Justin Williams.
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